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oh

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and uh i have a very interesting guest

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first time you speaking on the topic and

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i love to have

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people on like that not to put any undue

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pressure

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on him in any type of way but uh

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his name is uh jack sliwa and uh we are

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going to be talking about his uh

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i gotta remove your pill sorry about

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that

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poor bill i had him up on youtube for

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the whole world to see

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sorry about that bill uh anyway jax

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uh sliwahi is going to be talking about

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basically

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about a lot of uh study and work

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and data that he's collected on the ufo

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topic

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he's got an amazing background we'll

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talk a little bit about that in the

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beginning

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and uh this is christmas week for all

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those

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of you that celebrate so merry christmas

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to you i hope you

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have a wonderful and safe one and uh

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i'll be glad to get through this year

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like so many of us will

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and um so in the last part of this show

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i'm going to give away a couple of

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t-shirts to callers and i'm also going

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to give away

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one of my ufo paintings i think i'll

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just pop them up this is first of all

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it's a t-shirt

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and this is for those of you to see on

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youtube

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this is the ufo painting i actually have

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it

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really does exist

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so that i will be shipping to anyone and

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you have to the only thing it's kind of

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a bummer i know

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unless you want to pay for extra

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shipping you have to live in the united

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states

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for being a caller to get those free

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gifts

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i know it may not seem fair but we can

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work things out we always

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we always do one way or the other a lot

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been

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contacted from someone in australia and

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all over the united states about kind of

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some breaking news

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and i'm not really sure what happened

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but i do know that

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lou alizundo steve justice and tim

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i mean i'm sorry chris mellon have all

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uh ttsa to the stars academy

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i'm not sure exactly what happened i did

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try to find out

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but um it's too bad and i don't know

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what's going to happen to all

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you know the investors i don't know

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what's going to happen to any of that

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i have absolutely no idea but it is

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something that has been going around and

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i hope uh

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if any of you out there like uh

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astronomy

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uh the converge of uh jupiter and saturn

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just amazing first time uh in 800 years

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and it will happen just 60 years from

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now but i'd consider that a once in a

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lifetime at least

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unless you live a real real long life

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over 800 years you would uh expect that

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to happen unfortunately it was overcast

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last night i hope

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that some of you get to see it it's

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still going on but just

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not as easily seen as a

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converge as it did last night as it

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looked like last night

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um our blog this week is called injured

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by the ufo

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that's a great christmas topic no no

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uh that has a lot to do with uh there

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are some cases

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that have been pretty interesting dave

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marler was on this show

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and covered that about a young boy

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outside of a laundromat

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that had this strange orb do these weird

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burns on him that

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uh again we did talk about that in the

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past

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and there's a few others uh the gorman

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dog fight i think no that's uh that was

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something else i'm trying to think what

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uh there's a couple of others the one

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case in canada

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uh where people have had injuries so

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maybe they're not

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all benign after all um

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and i do want to thank everyone oh by

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the way the uh

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the blogs are also made into an audio

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blog you can

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listen to them on the podcast feed or

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on youtube come out usually on fridays

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so but it's always good to read because

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there's uh links in the text that go to

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you know reference things which is

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always very interesting

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so uh melanie uh kirkendorfer she was

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going to be on uh

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regarding the berkshires ufo i just

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wanted to let everyone know

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uh because she didn't make it a few

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weeks ago that she will be on february

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next week we have tom wortman coming on

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we have some really great guests lined

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for next year i'm pretty excited about

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i won't go into that right now but

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perhaps next week i will

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because i'm kind of blabbing too much

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but i want to thank everyone

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that supports the show and i couldn't do

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it without you

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and i as i'm reflecting at the end of

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this year i really

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do appreciate it very much anyone can

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help out over at our patreon site that

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link is on

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our website which is podcast ufo.com

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uh that's enough for me i'm going to

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bring our guest in now

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uh jack welcome to the show hello martin

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hi and uh i know you've done other

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presentations before but this is

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actually the first one you've got

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this particular topic which is really

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you're breaking up a little bit but this

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is the first ufo talk i've ever get in

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my life

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many talks to you know industry and

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doctors and scientists and

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people like that but uh never never on

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the subject ufos

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that's great well let's hear a little

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bit about your background i'm going to

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find out if i have some

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audio issues but go ahead if you could

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talk about your background and i do want

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you to somehow weave in there

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where the topic of you know where that

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snuck in your life

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well uh i'm originally from the boston

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i went to northeastern university got a

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degree in mechanical engineering

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and from there i uh got into stanford

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and i moved to california and i worked

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seven marine companies which i'll talk

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about in a second there in silicon

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uh but before i left boston uh when i

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was going to northeastern i was

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in a co-op program you may know

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northeastern has a great co-op

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uh program where you work a semester you

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go to school this semester

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and it takes five years to get a bs

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rather than four years uh at any rate i

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worked at uh

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charles stark draper lab i don't know if

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you've ever heard of dr draper

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but he invented inertial navigation

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which is used in all the

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missiles a space shuttle uh all such all

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such craft

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the only navigation system it works

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without any outside reference

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so therefore it can't be interfered with

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it's on the trident d5 missile among

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uh things anyway that was a long long

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long time ago

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but i got to meet him he recommended me

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for stanford

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i ended up going there um got in uh and

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and when i came to california i worked

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for string companies here

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starting with uh intel um and

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uh then xerox park uh some of you may

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have heard of xerox park

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research center uh where the laser

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printer was invented the mouse was

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or the mouse was refined um and the

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graphical interface for computers which

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you're using right now

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was invented um the guy that invented

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the laser printer was in the office next

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um pretty pretty nifty uh

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arena to be in a very small building but

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a lot of people that made me feel like a

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dumb [\h__\h]

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uh anyway i i also worked uh

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for amd um at amd i was in charge of

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process integration i which means how do

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you string all the processes together

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to make integrated circuits uh

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uh etc and you know there's anywhere

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between a thousand and three thousand

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to make a silicon device and so

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putting those together is is quite an

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art and involves a lot of failure

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analysis and science and stuff like that

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uh anyway you asked how i got involved

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and interested in ufos

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uh probably the initial seed was uh

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way back when i worked at draper labs

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because i got to see some

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equipment not ufo equipment uh

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conventional military equipment and

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nuclear submarines

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that i wouldn't be able to see if i

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hadn't worked there but

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once i came to california i had a

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sighting in california off the backyard

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of my house we lived on a

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a big hill about 400 feet high it was

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about two miles

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from moffett field in mountain view

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california

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moffitt field is where nasa ames

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research center is if you don't know

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that

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anyway i was sitting on the bed

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downstairs uh figuring out what to do

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next

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it was about 6 p.m and the sun was still

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out but it was going down

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and i noticed this brown tint thing come

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darting down out of the sky at about

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oh almost a 90 degree angle not quite

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vertically and right before i get it

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it did a hockey stick maneuver in other

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words it leveled out at the very last

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and disappeared bang gone and this was

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right over

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the nasa ames research center and um

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after that happened i wrote a very

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detailed report from mufon i am a member

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of mufon incidentally

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although i'm not terribly active um but

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i wrote in the report

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the report appeared on their cms

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database

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but i noticed i've tried to find it

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before their show and i can't find it

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now

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happened to it but it was on there

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and i also noticed since then even in

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the last year there have been a couple

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more sightings

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uh over nasa ames um so it wouldn't be

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surprised if

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me if uh that place is being uh checked

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out in some manner

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just uh on that topic do you think that

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perhaps that was some type of

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experimental

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no no no no no no no as this thing came

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down it came down a number one really

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fast

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and it was the bottom was clear but the

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top was involved in a cloud

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which i think a lot of your viewers will

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appreciate is most likely

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condensate water vapor there are many

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types of ufos

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where um we'll talk about this later but

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a ufo has a force field around it

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and part of the force field is it

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reduces the pressure

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in the direction of force field which is

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usually downwards if it wants to

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levitate

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and that uh reduction in pressure causes

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condensation

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fog

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frequently will obscure the clear view

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of the

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ufo that's why if you look at ufo

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pictures the clearest pictures usually

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are when the uf was moving along at some

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finite velocity

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and hasn't had a chance to form fog

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around it so a lot of the so-called

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cloaking or whatever you want to call it

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a lot of it is is purely um it's real

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but it's not necessarily intentional

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it's a byproduct the way the uh

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the way the propulsion works and not

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necessarily trying to cloak themselves

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although they do that too you know they

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fly into clouds and hiding clouds

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dark from cloud to cloud and there's no

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there's no question this happens

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yeah i've had i've had a number of

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people talk about it

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um one was an incredible sighting a guy

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talked

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on the show probably a year ago about

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one in a cloud in it

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coming out and going back into the cloud

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it was pretty amazing we'll talk a

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little bit later but there's another

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specific reason why they would went to

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clouds

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that is not hiding and i hope

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to give all of your listeners a couple

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of christmas gifts here in the form of

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some surprising things that they may not

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have known about ufos which will give

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them something to

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think about over the next weeks in the

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christmas

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to think about

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[Music]

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it's a complicated problem but that does

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not mean that we can't make

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progress and if you ask me what am i

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doing in this field

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i am very very strong minded along the

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lines of

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we can answer some of the questions we

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can't answer them all up front

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propulsion is a particularly uh

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difficult one

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um we'll talk about that more later but

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uh questions about

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for example angel here uh questions

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about

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the falling leaf phenomenon um i'll be

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able to talk about that a little later

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and i'll tell you how i think those work

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and they're very logical

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engineering descriptions which i believe

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other technologies will come forward

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over the coming months and years

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and verify in fact i have a request to

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do some modeling

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on my website to verify uh one of these

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um but angel hair is a real phenomenon

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uh i'll go into it when we're ready and

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yeah belief is a real phenomenon and it

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makes

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perfect sense for ufos to do that yeah

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yeah the angel here i've heard about a

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lot of times in the uh

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trace evidence i know back in the 50s

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even there was a case

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um in europe in france i think it was

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but um

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the the one thing though the question i

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you know when you were talking about um

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i can't remember exactly what you said

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but it had to do with propulsion and

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possible propulsion and

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yeah and uh force field or whatever it

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is you said around

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right the question that i've had uh and

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have

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asked a lot on the show that i don't

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even know if could ever be answered but

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there's many cases and perhaps you even

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saw this

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where an object takes off so fast that

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it certainly

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broke the sound barrier at least you

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know in excess of a few times

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okay let me let me talk about that um

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i know if you're familiar with paul

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hill's book uh do you remember him he

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was the

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nasa scientist for oh 35 years

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and he wrote a book after uh

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posthumously

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his wife got it out for him but uh he

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gives him initial explanation of this

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but he was

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perfectly correct and the reason uh you

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don't

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hear anything is because the

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ufo puts out a force field when it puts

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out the force field it modifies

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the pressure around it when you modify

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the air pressure you modify the ability

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to sound

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to travel through the air from the ufo

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into the undisturbed atmosphere

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further away acoustics

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which i have a lot of experience with

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unfortunately

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there is a something called acoustic

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impedance

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and what that is without getting too

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technical is the ability of sound to

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travel through

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a material how easy is it to travel

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through a material

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if you go from a material a to a

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material b and those two materials have

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different acoustic impedances

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then you're going to get a reflection

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and because of the

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way propulsion works because of the

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pressure drop

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you get a low pressure area of air

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before you go back to the normal

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pressure

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more distant from the ufo because of

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that

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you have a very high reflection

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coefficient because of that any sound or

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most of the sound that the ufap produces

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is reflected back and forth between the

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uap and this interface

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and almost none of it makes to the

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ground it's perfectly logical any

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acoustic person will tell you this

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there's nothing mysterious about it um

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you will notice in many cases

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if the uofo is at the right angle and

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you're not

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in the direction of one of the

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propulsion fields you will hear

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something you'll hear a loud hum

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you may hear a buzz you may hear

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something that sounds like a lawnmower

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but the times when you hear absolutely

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nothing are when the area around you

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is being affected by the force field of

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the ufo

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so number one the pressure drop that's

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the main

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reason for the deadening of sound that's

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number one

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number two there's a second reason

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that's what i would call

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additive it means that it adds it also

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adds to the effect of dulling the sound

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and if you go to my website you'll be

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able to see a video of this really

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happening

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what this is is if you have a

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ufo which has a strong electric field on

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it let's say an ac electric field

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which is going plus minus plus minus at

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a high frequency let's say

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50 hertz actually 50 hertz it's not very

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high frequency that's what's in your

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wall

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almost um 50 hertz um what it'll do

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is if you have a plasma around the ufo

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the plasma

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essentially restrains the air okay

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it restrains it so it can't vibrate as

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it would vibrate if the plasma were not

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there

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and not only that but you can feed an

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electrical signal into the plasma

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to cancel out the sound waves that would

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normally come out of the plasma

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so effectively you can use the plasma to

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mask the sound of the ufo

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now that may be happening intentionally

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or unintentionally

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but if you look at my website ufo uap

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behavior.com you will find a video

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um of a product that you can actually go

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out and buy which is a

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arc a corona a little device that has a

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glowing corona on it

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electrical corona and it actually plays

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music from the corona believe it or not

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you actually pump audio signals into

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this corona and the corona is acting as

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a speaker

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and what i'm telling you is the corona

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can act in the negative way

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you can also cancel sounds out using

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sound cancellation methods

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so between the pressure drop and the

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reflection

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and the electrical method i just

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described you about either one of those

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on its own

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can fully explain the silence of ufos

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i cannot understand why i've never heard

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this before it's fairly it would be

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fairly obvious

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to anyone familiar with plasmas or

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familiar with

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acoustics so i i just don't get it why

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haven't i

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i might connect you to the gentleman

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over at the scu

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the scientific um study of uap

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yes uh well i i probably just got the

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acronym all wrong

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there but um there's there's a couple of

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00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:03,440
questions that are popping in already

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this one here

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from uh luis hi luis would

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or could that explain why the nature

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seems to

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be quiet on a lot of ufos i think the

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reason the nature goes quiet is two

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reasons

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if the nature around you is

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within the zone of the propulsion field

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it may well double dull the sound of the

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animals

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however i think with respect to most

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animals

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they do two things they either panic

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as you know if you've read many yeah he

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says cows run around jump up in the air

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and yeah

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horses can float themselves to death or

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they go totally silent like birds yeah

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it's like an evil goes over insects even

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birds do needles go over they

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shut up and hide because they want to

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live

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and that's what a lot of birds do that's

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what animals do

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um so that's not a mystery i think

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00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:00,480
that's a combination effect

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i would say that 60 40 60 fear

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and 40 the other mechanism i talked

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about but animals are

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you know they're almost as smart as we

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are maybe smarter

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um in some ways yeah yeah particularly

569
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:14,159
intuitive in a lot of ways

570
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:17,360
yeah yeah so um they they know

571
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:20,400
when to uh disappear

572
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,320
here's a another question um

573
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,400
so you were talking about the possible

574
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,400
propulsion there just a minute ago

575
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,440
uh would that same theory

576
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,480
work in a vacuum basically okay

577
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,120
the comment i made about forming a

578
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:39,840
partial vacuum

579
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,760
any ufo that has any kind of projected

580
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:46,400
force field outside of it so let's say

581
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,880
let's

582
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,360
say for arguments take it's designed to

583
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,120
push on the ground

584
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,440
and push the ufo up in the air okay

585
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,799
levitate the ufo

586
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,240
or the earth it's going to push on the

587
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,919
earth okay

588
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,080
you cannot push on the earth without

589
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,080
pushing on the air

590
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,600
okay it's in this path the air is going

591
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:07,120
to get pushed aside the pressure is

592
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,240
going to reduce

593
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,880
and there's hundreds of cases of

594
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,480
witnesses

595
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,440
under ufos that have felt cold breezes

596
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,640
coming down

597
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,720
or russia's severe where trees got bent

598
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,559
over how about pressure i

599
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,360
i had a friend from australia her

600
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,720
grandmother felt like they were being

601
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,080
almost like pushed

602
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,159
that's exactly what i'm talking about

603
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,000
wow you get a very strong breeze

604
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:32,159
because the air especially if they turn

605
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,039
on the

606
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,720
propulsion high speed intensely

607
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,679
you push a lot of air very quickly when

608
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,280
you decompress the air

609
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:43,520
and you reduce the pressure the laws

610
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,400
that did

611
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:47,280
thermodynamics are are you're going to

612
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,159
get what you get

613
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:51,120
you can't help it the air cools it gets

614
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:51,919
called

615
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,120
and that's why so many witnesses of ufos

616
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,039
have been underneath disk type ufos i'm

617
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:58,559
talking about

618
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,919
feel cold feel cold breezes as you may

619
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,200
know there's one case

620
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:06,000
in canada i think it was of this ufo

621
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,200
landing in a quarry where there was a

622
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,400
puddle

623
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,000
and it hovered over the pot of the one

624
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,520
in the puddle and the pedal froze

625
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,000
it was like 60 degrees out that's a good

626
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:16,480
example of what i'm talking about

627
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:20,799
but force fields no matter how they work

628
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,559
will push on everything the earth or

629
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,840
the air and

630
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:30,080
they will work in space it doesn't

631
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,120
matter if there's no

632
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,720
air if one of those directed its thrust

633
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,520
towards the earth you would get some

634
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,559
amount

635
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,960
of force how much we don't know i'll

636
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,240
talk up a little bit more about that

637
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,280
later

638
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,760
but at least when they're close to the

639
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,280
ground or on the ground

640
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:50,240
they definitely couple to the ground

641
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,200
about that

642
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,600
this is uh have you ever looked into the

643
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,559
hazeldine

644
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,600
uh lights yes

645
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:59,840
i don't i don't want to um disappoint

646
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,720
anybody or

647
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,600
or anything i've no no i i don't care

648
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,320
disappoint

649
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:06,640
i i like to hear what people think

650
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,760
doesn't matter

651
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,760
for years uh i've been looking at the

652
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:12,000
website i actually have a software

653
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,559
clipper

654
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:15,919
on it for anything new uh but so far

655
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,120
it appears that uh most or all of that

656
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,200
stuff is related to the stress in the

657
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,400
in the hills in the mountains from moon

658
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:25,520
tides

659
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,280
to the

660
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:32,159
moon you get from rot from solid rock

661
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,280
you get an effect called the

662
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,120
piezoelectric effect

663
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,919
and that is when you strain rocks like

664
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:38,720
quartz

665
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,919
and other rocks they create a voltage

666
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,440
if you create enough voltage you're

667
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,799
going to create an arc you're going to

668
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,159
create a corona

669
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,159
you're going to create a broke down and

670
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:49,600
if it's in the dark you're going to see

671
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,320
it

672
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,919
has stalin

673
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,240
uh i'm very familiar with it um they've

674
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,360
used spectrographic

675
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,880
uh techniques and everything to try to

676
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,559
figure out what wavelength

677
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,240
the light is and you know essentially

678
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,960
their plasmas which is not surprising

679
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,760
same as with ufos they're ear plasmas

680
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:09,120
anything that is sliced the ear to a

681
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,080
plasma

682
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,919
you're looking at nitrogen and oxygen

683
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,279
and the impurities

684
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,840
that are being uh driven into being a

685
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,880
plasma

686
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,720
when you look at a ufo and you see the

687
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,720
blue you're seeing primarily nitrogen

688
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,840
plasma

689
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,400
when you see primarily red you're seeing

690
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,480
primarily oxygen plasma

691
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,919
we could talk a little bit more about

692
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,840
that later well you know i got to tell

693
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,240
you the

694
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:33,520
the ufo sighting that i had

695
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:37,919
in uh carmel valley back in 2006

696
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:41,360
um it had it was a disc a perfect shaped

697
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,400
disc

698
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,720
but it had a blue glow around it there

699
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,440
you go

700
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,360
i haven't heard a lot of people say that

701
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:49,760
i mean the best way i can describe it it

702
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:50,240
was

703
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,400
it it actually stopped and moved it

704
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:01,360
didn't change that

705
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
glow did not change okay yeah you're

706
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:06,480
looking at the nitrogen plasma

707
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,120
no mystery wow the people studying ufos

708
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,880
particularly in the government and they

709
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,320
all know this stuff

710
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,520
is there's no secret well you know they

711
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:19,039
know much more

712
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,799
than what we think they know believe me

713
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,159
they know a lot

714
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,080
i was i had a secret clearance for quite

715
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,080
a while my first job

716
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,559
at draper and although that wouldn't do

717
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:30,799
anything with ufos there believe me

718
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,950
there's a lot of smart people working

719
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,640
from the government despite everything

720
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,000
you hear

721
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:42,320
there's a lot of very very sharp people

722
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,360
and i got to meet

723
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,760
some of them and yeah they're probably

724
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,919
cuddled and they got their own office

725
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,440
and they buy whatever the hell they want

726
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,360
for equipment but

727
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,840
um there's a lot of very smart people

728
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,679
working for the government

729
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,200
there's also a lot of dummies i mean

730
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,880
just like with any any corporation or

731
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,159
company or whatever

732
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,000
there's a big election right but the

733
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:04,080
government has a lot of very smart

734
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,880
people

735
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:07,679
a lot of mountains um i'm not one of

736
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,320
them but

737
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,799
um so would you think you know this is a

738
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,320
question i often ask

739
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,039
um do you think the government knows a

740
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,720
lot more than we do or a little bit more

741
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,919
than we do

742
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,679
uh i know that i believe they know a

743
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,840
hell of a lot more than we do

744
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:24,400
uh the parts i have a hard time

745
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,039
believing

746
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,720
because i think from a pragmatic point

747
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,799
of view it would have come out by now

748
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,640
is i don't think they have an entire

749
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,840
craft

750
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,799
anywhere i know that comes up and

751
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,000
believe me i read

752
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,320
everything i've read every news item on

753
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,200
roswell

754
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,440
what is it a quarter million now i've

755
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,360
read them all

756
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:45,919
um roswell is an interracing case but

757
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:46,400
i'm

758
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:50,840
was the that was actually the mogul

759
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,440
balloon and they really screwed up

760
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:56,000
when they first came out and said it was

761
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,640
a ufc

762
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,320
disc but if you go back and look

763
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,159
historically at what point in time that

764
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,760
was it that happened

765
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,760
that was right around the time of the

766
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,039
peak of a ufo

767
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,480
wave when ken arnold saw his ufo now i

768
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,840
don't know if he saw it

769
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:11,200
two or three weeks before or two or

770
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,320
three yeah it was two or three weeks

771
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,440
before in june

772
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,480
yeah so i mean people were hysterical

773
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,080
and especially the military and i can

774
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,399
imagine the military guys saying hey

775
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,960
we want to have a ufo before the base

776
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:25,200
over the hill has seized one

777
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,720
first it could be that simple yeah

778
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,200
i don't know no i'm trying i honestly

779
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,720
got i don't want to disappoint all the

780
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:34,720
people that believe in roswell

781
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,399
because i tell you ufos are real

782
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:41,679
there's absolutely no shortage of cases

783
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:42,159
that are

784
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,640
far far far more convincing than roswell

785
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,679
um i love stan friedman bless his soul

786
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,279
and rest in peace

787
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,559
uh he did a great investigation but uh

788
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,120
ufos are real there's absolutely no

789
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,799
question about it i'd stick my life on

790
00:28:03,269 --> 00:27:59,600
it

791
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,279
you're going to say

792
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,679
but ufo is a real butt and then we were

793
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,279
talking about roswell

794
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,080
um because there's a lot of questions

795
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,600
about roswell i got into quite a

796
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,279
conversation with alejandra rojas and

797
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:14,399
his show

798
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,080
uh i think it was last friday yeah um

799
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:21,679
you know he's not buying that uh ufos

800
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,640
it was actually a ufo crash and uh i'm

801
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,679
not really sure

802
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,679
you know i mean but that has always been

803
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:28,799
the big question

804
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,919
why would they ever say that the army

805
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,679
air force has captured a disc

806
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,000
i think that's such a crazy thing to say

807
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,960
you know

808
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,840
ego you think so sure you think it was

809
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:40,320
that

810
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,799
wow and i'm sure they would have shot

811
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,360
anyone that went anywhere near the moga

812
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:49,039
balloon wreckage because it was top

813
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,320
secret

814
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,919
we did not want the russians to know

815
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:54,000
that we could hear their a-bombs going

816
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,720
off

817
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,399
well the only the only okay here's

818
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,559
here's the question i also had for him

819
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,679
uh as far as the skeptic of roswell yeah

820
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,600
and that is why did they bother to fly

821
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,840
that to right field then

822
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,520
if they knew what it was you make

823
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:09,440
absolutely sure you know the military is

824
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:10,399
dot the i cross

825
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,870
yeah um so there there are there are a

826
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,399
lot of questions popping and i don't

827
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,159
know if you want me to continue

828
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,720
popping up the questions or i'm happy

829
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,640
with this um i will i will make sure

830
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,399
that i say the parts i really want to

831
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,200
say

832
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:32,399
okay and when when we go into the um

833
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,039
angel

834
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,159
hair evidence i just wanted to let the

835
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,520
the listener know uh because here on

836
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,000
youtube

837
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,039
you will see a powerpoint that he

838
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,279
uh jack is going to be going through on

839
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,880
some of the work he's done on that

840
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,640
but i did want everyone to know that's

841
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,559
also going to be

842
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,120
in the show notes so if you're an audio

843
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,279
listener don't be discouraged

844
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,279
just click on the show notes uh wherever

845
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,880
you find your podcast

846
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,640
and uh it'll go in the powerpoint will

847
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,840
be right there you can go through it and

848
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,559
take a look

849
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,480
right and we'll try to put it up i i

850
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,880
hope we don't mess it up or i'll mess it

851
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,799
up

852
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,880
this is going to turn your head about

853
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,480
six times

854
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:15,760
um uh angel here

855
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,240
has been going on for centuries

856
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,399
the most spectacular cases are

857
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:23,919
absolutely

858
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,240
mind-bending even to the most

859
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:31,679
uh i don't know aggressive

860
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,360
ufo believer you will be surprised

861
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:38,640
well the only one i had heard of uh

862
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,320
years ago was a case where the woman um

863
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,520
collected it on her trees um and you

864
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,799
probably know of that case

865
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:49,039
it was oh yeah okay i'll tell you what

866
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,320
let's skip that because that's

867
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,799
definitely small potatoes

868
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,840
okay do you want it why don't you i

869
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,039
don't know if you want to go into the

870
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:59,039
presentation or you just want to talk

871
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,240
there are a lot of people that are

872
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,600
scratching their head right now saying

873
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,559
what the heck

874
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:05,279
okay uh what is angel hair can you

875
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,799
remind me how to uh

876
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:14,149
okay um so let's start with what angel

877
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,640
here

878
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,320
is because not everybody knows what it

879
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,960
is essentially what it is is if you're

880
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:20,240
standing on the ground you're going to

881
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,559
see

882
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,519
white fibrous material that looks like

883
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,640
cotton

884
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,080
or looks like spiderweb falling

885
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:30,080
on the land around you or under the

886
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,200
trees

887
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,480
telephone wires buildings or even out at

888
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:35,760
sea

889
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,000
and that's it comes down lots of places

890
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,559
and typically when it comes down it's

891
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:43,919
coming down from a silent

892
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,080
uap a ufo typically a spherical ufo

893
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,880
although cigars and discs also have

894
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:51,760
dumped

895
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,440
angel here and as i said there's been

896
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,159
probably at least a hundred cases where

897
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,080
the ufo passed overhead within

898
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:03,200
sight and you could stand there and see

899
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:03,519
the

900
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:13,200
saugus massachusetts in 1955 i think it

901
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,159
was

902
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,919
with a little girl ran in and told mommy

903
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,279
mommy come on and look the biggest

904
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,960
spider webs in the world

905
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,480
and she went out and there was this

906
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,559
enormous sphere probably about 100 feet

907
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,679
in diameter

908
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,760
and this angel here was spewing off of

909
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:27,600
it and it fell off the ground

910
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,960
and as all angel here does it eventually

911
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,760
evaporates many people refer to that as

912
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,600
sublimation you may be familiar with dry

913
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,399
ice

914
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,320
dry eye sublimates without leaving any

915
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,760
water puddle

916
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,200
up doesn't leave a puddle it just

917
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,360
disappears so people have called it

918
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:46,399
sublimating so any rate angel hair

919
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,559
looks comes down sometimes as single

920
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:49,600
fibers

921
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,600
but mostly as tangled wubs wads

922
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,640
of the stuff or strands up to 50 feet

923
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,600
long

924
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,080
and in the worst cases or i guess i

925
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:02,720
would regard them as the best cases

926
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,159
trees and fences barbed wire roofs

927
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,320
even sports fields are completely

928
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,000
covered with the stuff

929
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,159
so it looks like the ground is painted

930
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:13,519
silver

931
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,200
one of the most famous cases happened in

932
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,720
italy and it was in 1954 i think it was

933
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,320
it's on the website

934
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
um it's on the uh i think it's mentioned

935
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,600
here in the powerpoint someplace as well

936
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,000
but during a soccer game with 10 000

937
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:31,760
people in the stands

938
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,440
two ufos one disc and one sphere

939
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,720
came over the active soccer game 10 000

940
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,760
people

941
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,320
and dived and swooned and looked like

942
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,080
they were playing with each other

943
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,039
and they dumped a lot of angel here not

944
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,399
only on the field

945
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:51,039
but on the 10 000 people and on the

946
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,080
players

947
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,919
this made the front page of the news

948
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,200
believe me

949
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,960
um and there were two or three people

950
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,559
out there

951
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,279
at the site who were smart enough to go

952
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,039
out and collect some of this stuff and

953
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,039
put it in a sealed bottle

954
00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,720
and they did that and it got analyzed

955
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,639
and that's the exciting part so i'll get

956
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,240
to the uh analyzation

957
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,440
in it in a minute so in more than half

958
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,240
of all cases when you see angel here

959
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,040
it sublimates it disappears if you just

960
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,800
let it sit there on the grass

961
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:27,520
it'll just get smaller and smaller and

962
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,240
disappear

963
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,399
and what's happening is it's converting

964
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,919
directly to a vapor

965
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:34,560
and going away that happens anywhere

966
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:35,119
between

967
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:38,159
2 and 20 minutes there is no

968
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,399
visible residue whatsoever absolutely

969
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:45,520
none there is no

970
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,000
stain and there's virtually no smell

971
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,919
um just just a question well first of

972
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,599
all are you are you going to be

973
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:56,079
forwarding through the powerpoint at

974
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,119
some point

975
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,359
forwarding what um it's just staying on

976
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,800
one page i just wondered if you were

977
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,040
going to show more

978
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,640
oh if i do that i'll just have you click

979
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,400
to the next one yeah

980
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,200
oh no you have to do it on your end oh

981
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,320
yeah

982
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,000
anything you do is on your end let's see

983
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:13,599
if i can do it from my end

984
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:17,920
okay um so let me just ask you this this

985
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,359
this substance um you said people picked

986
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,440
up samples but is this something

987
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,839
if it lands on a person is it gonna is

988
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,760
it going to be like dry ice i mean

989
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:30,000
harm the person there's no there are no

990
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,280
burns there's no

991
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:34,000
grossly negative effect if it lands on

992
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,119
people

993
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,160
we actually had i don't say we a child

994
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,520
actually picked some of this up in a

995
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,599
schoolyard and ate it believe it or not

996
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,240
oh yeah read about that report he said

997
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,040
it tasted pretty bitter but he ate it

998
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:50,320
um and when you hear when you hear what

999
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,640
it's

1000
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,119
made of you won't be surprised that it

1001
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,880
wasn't poisonous

1002
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,880
um so at any rate uh between two and

1003
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:58,560
twenty minutes it completely sublimates

1004
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:59,040
so

1005
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,400
if it happens out in your yard and you

1006
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,680
don't go out pretty quickly it's going

1007
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,560
to be gone

1008
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,240
but if you do go out quickly you may see

1009
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:05,839
it hanging like tinsel

1010
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,040
uh from the from the trees yeah okay

1011
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,440
in some of the historic ufo flaps

1012
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,440
particularly in the united states

1013
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,160
in italy all of the angel hair events

1014
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:17,520
that happen within a month

1015
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,560
or so period all angel here

1016
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,680
sublimated okay

1017
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,640
angel hair has very little smell but

1018
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,920
some people have noticed

1019
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,960
a weak hydrocarbon smell or a campfire

1020
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,920
smell

1021
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:34,160
and uh camphor's like your mothball is

1022
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,200
put in the closet we

1023
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,280
used to um and i'll we'll talk more

1024
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,880
about that later when i talk about the

1025
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,640
composition of angel here

1026
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,119
um one thing about angel hair is it

1027
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,359
burns like hell if you put a match to it

1028
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,079
it flames up and it's gone almost an

1029
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,359
instant

1030
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,680
we are going to talk frequently uh going

1031
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,240
ahead here about spiderweb

1032
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,320
because historically a lot of people

1033
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,599
came out and said

1034
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,280
when people brought in what they thought

1035
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,280
was angel here it was like oh don't

1036
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,560
worry it's just spider web it's just

1037
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,640
spider web it's just spider web

1038
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,640
okay well the big punch line of my

1039
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,000
presentation is going to turn

1040
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,400
out that the composition believe it or

1041
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,280
not

1042
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,560
you'll find out where the constituents

1043
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:14,560
come from but the composition

1044
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,760
of spider web is fairly similar to the

1045
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,440
composition of angel here

1046
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,599
fundamentally different but has some

1047
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,440
common constituents

1048
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,560
and those constituents are what cause

1049
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,359
many scientists in the past to say that

1050
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,720
it was spider web

1051
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,640
but it is clearly not by their web and

1052
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,079
i'm going to go through a list of why

1053
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,839
it's not spider web

1054
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,760
in a minute angelhair is very

1055
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:39,599
stretchable like a rubber band if you

1056
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,400
pull on it

1057
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,920
you can stretch it two two and a half

1058
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,480
even three x it won't snap back

1059
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,640
but it also won't break until you really

1060
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,200
stretch it to three or four x

1061
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:51,760
the peak season for angel here is when

1062
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,040
it's cool

1063
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,280
uh towards the end of the year in the

1064
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,240
fall

1065
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,680
and part of the reason for the confusion

1066
00:38:01,349 --> 00:38:00,000
with spiders is because the particular

1067
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,359
kind of spider

1068
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,200
that floats through the sky on a piece

1069
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,440
of silk is called a ballooning spider

1070
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,920
and they also do this in fall and that's

1071
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,520
part of the confusion

1072
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,839
but in real danger heavy falls there are

1073
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,040
no spiders

1074
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,680
in real cobweb falls from ballooning

1075
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:16,560
spiders

1076
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,000
to move to a new location

1077
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,800
to find new trees to eat new leaves the

1078
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,920
case of angel here

1079
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:30,079
there are no spiders okay can we go to

1080
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,040
the next slide

1081
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,280
no you're doing it you control the

1082
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,440
powerpoint on your side

1083
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,880
oh oh you can't do it oh no

1084
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:41,040
well let me let me just keep talking so

1085
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,320
this this instance

1086
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,640
in in italy um i i already told you

1087
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:45,440
about

1088
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,280
um the the two most outrageous incidents

1089
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,079
happened in 1954.

1090
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,359
some of your viewers are going to be

1091
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:55,920
familiar with the 1954

1092
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:59,280
so-called invasion of france uh

1093
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:02,800
where there were 200 plus cases

1094
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,920
of ufos which all of which landed

1095
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:08,960
in france of these 200

1096
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,560
something like 100 had things that look

1097
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,480
like humanoids which were

1098
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,920
witnessed of the hundred humanoid

1099
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:18,720
witnessing

1100
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,680
events about 30 of them involved

1101
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,880
interaction

1102
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,280
with french people on the ground

1103
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,599
including one particular farmer

1104
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,160
where the ufo landed in his lilac field

1105
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,440
he was growing

1106
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:34,640
not lilacs we call those purple flowers

1107
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,079
i forget tulips no the bushes

1108
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,079
they grow a lot of them in france anyway

1109
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,440
they're purple some people come up with

1110
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,000
it

1111
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,440
but uh he was the farmer of this

1112
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,599
particular plant in the ufo

1113
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,200
he was he went out in the morning to go

1114
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,200
to work to hold his field

1115
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,800
and he noticed a shiny thing in his

1116
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,440
field so he was he was smart

1117
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:54,960
he went out the back way around the

1118
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,240
trees so he thought it was kids stealing

1119
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:01,760
his plants and he snuck up on them

1120
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,880
and it was a egg-shaped craft tripod

1121
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,760
legs

1122
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,480
with three small beings about three feet

1123
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,359
high

1124
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,720
and they were ripping his plants out of

1125
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,240
the ground and putting him into the

1126
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,599
craft

1127
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,839
and to make a long story short the thing

1128
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,599
took off and left

1129
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,400
and left him in total shock for a number

1130
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,520
of days

1131
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,280
um there were two or three incidents

1132
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:26,319
like that during this 1954

1133
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,359
uh wave but the thing i

1134
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,680
reason i bring up the 1954 wave is

1135
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,359
because there were many

1136
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,920
many angel hair events and the two

1137
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:37,680
biggest in history

1138
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,160
the most gross incredible

1139
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,400
mind-numbing angel hair event you could

1140
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,319
imagine happened

1141
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,520
in france in 1954

1142
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:51,440
and what happened was in one case it was

1143
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:52,560
over a town

1144
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:56,000
called oloron france but i mispronounced

1145
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,359
that for you chocolate if you're

1146
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,240
watching

1147
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,440
and the second one was over a city only

1148
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:02,640
10 days later

1149
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:05,920
called galac france and in both of these

1150
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,640
cases

1151
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,680
an enormous enormous cigar

1152
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,960
craft about 300 feet long

1153
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:15,280
about 300 feet in the year maybe 500

1154
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:16,160
feet

1155
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,319
came over the top and the craft

1156
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,349
tons and tons and tons of this stuff

1157
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,599
to the ground the entire town was

1158
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:31,359
completely covered

1159
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,040
and turned white roofs

1160
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,240
buildings everything and

1161
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,800
while this was happening there's no

1162
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:42,160
question this happened it's in the

1163
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,280
newspapers

1164
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,960
there's hundreds of witnesses the

1165
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,800
cigarcraft which is some kind of mother

1166
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,240
craft

1167
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:53,440
emitted or disgorged a group of about

1168
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,079
30 small maybe 10 feet in diameter

1169
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:01,359
saturn type subcraft that looked like

1170
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,160
spheres

1171
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,079
but they had a ring around them they had

1172
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,760
a yellow ring around them

1173
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,400
silver spheres with yellow rings around

1174
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,119
them

1175
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,319
and these subcraft were like playing

1176
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,520
like children

1177
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,160
around this cigar chasing each other

1178
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,000
knocking into each other

1179
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,079
every time the two little silver spheres

1180
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,839
went near each other and parted

1181
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,960
they would leave a string of string of

1182
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:26,880
angel hair between them so they

1183
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,000
also produced angel here but by

1184
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,200
far the grossest amount was produced

1185
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,839
from the cigar from the top end of the

1186
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:36,800
cigar

1187
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,880
was hanging about 45 degrees

1188
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,079
in space at altitude

1189
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:47,280
of about 500 feet and there was just

1190
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:47,599
this

1191
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,280
eruption of milk colored white

1192
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,640
fibrous matter exploding out of this

1193
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,040
craft for like 20 minutes

1194
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,040
and everybody saw it there was there's

1195
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:01,119
absolutely no question this happened

1196
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,560
this was one of the cases one of the

1197
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,640
first cases where good samples

1198
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,960
were collected and some students of the

1199
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,480
nearby university

1200
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:11,520
was smart enough to get a bottle that's

1201
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,240
sealed

1202
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,880
small bottle so it wouldn't sublimate

1203
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,680
exactly

1204
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,280
he was smart enough to know because the

1205
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,599
stuff frequently as it comes down you

1206
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,119
can see it's supplementing the ears so

1207
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,560
it's gone before it even gets to the

1208
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,520
ground

1209
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,680
if it's very prone to sublimating we'll

1210
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,800
talk about more later

1211
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,880
what makes it some of the day um but

1212
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:30,560
anyway he went and got a

1213
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,000
stick and he went over to a tree and he

1214
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,599
gobbed up a bunch of this stuff on a

1215
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,079
stick put it in a bottle

1216
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,839
closed the bottle and then he went to a

1217
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,160
professor at the university

1218
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:43,839
who i don't remember what his background

1219
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,599
was but he had a mass spectrometer

1220
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,880
and he put it through the mass

1221
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,640
spectrometer

1222
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,079
and he found remember this is gummy

1223
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,760
sticky stuff the minute you open the

1224
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,079
bottle it starts evaporating if you

1225
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,000
leave the bottle up in too long

1226
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,480
it's all gone so he just took a chunk of

1227
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,319
this slime

1228
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,760
which really shouldn't do with a mass

1229
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,400
spectrometer but he put the slime into

1230
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,319
the masterometer

1231
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,800
and he detected in this particular

1232
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,240
machine

1233
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,680
boron silicon

1234
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:20,720
magnesium and calcium

1235
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,280
boron magnesium silicon and calcium

1236
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,800
those four inorganic

1237
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:32,240
elements have been been detected

1238
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,760
in something like a dozen famous

1239
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:38,960
cases like this one where there was

1240
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,160
absolutely zero question that a ufo

1241
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,839
dropped this stuff

1242
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,280
now there's no shortage of cases where

1243
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,880
people say oh it's cobweb there was no

1244
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,599
ufo

1245
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,960
about those at the moment

1246
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,640
let's there's plenty where they did see

1247
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,319
the ufo

1248
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:57,440
so calcium magnesium silicon

1249
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,680
and boron right now it turns out

1250
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,440
calcium and magnesium are everywhere

1251
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,720
you look everywhere your body

1252
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:11,920
your food the atmosphere

1253
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,079
in interstellar space anything living

1254
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,599
plants rocks soil

1255
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,440
it's almost impossible not to have

1256
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,119
calcium magnesium

1257
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,119
instead of just about anything you come

1258
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,640
in contact with

1259
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,400
unless maybe it's a silicon chip or

1260
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:30,800
something which has to be ultra pure

1261
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,160
all right which i've made abusing enough

1262
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,720
um so getting back to this we'll talk a

1263
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,839
minute about where all this

1264
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,440
stuff comes from because that's the big

1265
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,119
mystery right

1266
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,119
the boron and the silicon

1267
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,359
you don't find those in nearly the

1268
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,160
amounts

1269
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,839
especially boron boron in plants

1270
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,560
and animals and stuff is more of a trace

1271
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,920
element

1272
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,560
it acts in a catalytic way it helps make

1273
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,480
membranes for your cells and

1274
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,400
does a few other things but it's in

1275
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,520
there in very very very trace quantities

1276
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,040
most of the boron on earth is in the

1277
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,400
ocean and in a few boron mines

1278
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,680
like in 20 mule team borax

1279
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,280
mine on the milk does it nevada or

1280
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:16,800
whatever it is

1281
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,560
but most of the boron in earth

1282
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:23,760
environment is in the ocean

1283
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,280
or in the troposphere okay

1284
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,079
the reason it's in the troposphere is

1285
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,640
from water bubbles on the ocean

1286
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,560
you've seen big waves in the ocean the

1287
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
bubble goes up that the wave goes up it

1288
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,240
throws off a little foam right

1289
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:41,119
well those bubbles burst and those micro

1290
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,319
droplets some of them

1291
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,800
a lot of them actually make it up into

1292
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,319
the stratosphere

1293
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,839
so the bottom line is whatever's in the

1294
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,319
ocean ends up in the stratosphere

1295
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,000
number one that's first thing i want you

1296
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:54,000
to remember second thing i want you to

1297
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,839
remember

1298
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:57,839
is interstellar space

1299
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,920
is not a perfect vacuum it's what most

1300
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,240
engineering people like me would call a

1301
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:05,680
technology would call a

1302
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,960
hard vacuum but it's not a vacuum

1303
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,960
not a perfect vacuum if you take a cubic

1304
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,480
centimeter

1305
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,000
of interstellar space

1306
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,640
you're gonna find some atoms in it yeah

1307
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:20,000
maybe if he doesn't

1308
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,839
yeah i was really surprised to hear that

1309
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,160
i mean i thought all my life that

1310
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,800
um that it was just a plain vacuum and

1311
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:27,440
then

1312
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,960
um jamal uh kalali i think that's his

1313
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:31,680
name

1314
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,440
uh did a great documentary on how

1315
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:38,160
there's actually something in space it's

1316
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,119
pretty mean

1317
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,920
so i'm gonna i'm gonna sort of veer into

1318
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,760
the exciting stuff that i want to

1319
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,680
really want to connect i'm having a good

1320
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:47,599
time i hope all my listen

1321
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,839
i can keep up like this for three hours

1322
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:51,920
um yeah

1323
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,119
recently recently i

1324
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,920
i based everything i do in addition to

1325
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:58,800
creativity

1326
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:02,000
and thinking about it and reading papers

1327
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,079
on actual r d research academic papers

1328
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,200
not rumors i listen to rumors too

1329
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,119
because some of them turn out to be true

1330
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,760
but i read the academic papers i

1331
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,960
sometimes talk to the

1332
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,839
researchers although most of them don't

1333
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:19,040
want to admit being involved in this

1334
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,079
subject i understand

1335
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:23,119
that but there was a paper um which is

1336
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,000
referenced

1337
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:27,359
in my powerpoint which you get a copy of

1338
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,359
last year scientists discovered

1339
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:34,480
that there is a i was going to say

1340
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:38,640
load but i won't say that a load of

1341
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,319
greasy material in space

1342
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,520
and they predicted accurately that any

1343
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,040
interstellar craft

1344
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,000
that would get to earth from some place

1345
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,240
from another star system

1346
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,040
would be contaminated with a coating of

1347
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,960
this waxy

1348
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,160
gunk most of this gunk

1349
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:03,440
is heavy hydrocarbons like waxes

1350
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,280
paraffins grease uh what's referred to

1351
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,480
as grease they made the prediction

1352
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,839
which made it onto i don't know if they

1353
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,319
made it on cnn but it made it on

1354
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,040
numerous websites and magazines like

1355
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,400
discover and

1356
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,880
all these magazines that spacecraft

1357
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:22,800
interstellar spacecraft

1358
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,160
will get coated with this gunk

1359
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,119
and what i'm going to tell you later is

1360
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,800
that gunk

1361
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,440
is the source of the material for angel

1362
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,640
hair

1363
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,880
when you hear the composition you'll

1364
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,240
understand why

1365
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,760
so that's pretty cool um i i think

1366
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,839
i've never heard that before i think i

1367
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:45,040
come up with that but

1368
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,319
it doesn't matter who came up with it

1369
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,839
really truth it's truth and that's all

1370
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:49,280
that matters

1371
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:53,119
um so it turns out

1372
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,599
space has if you look at the

1373
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,200
i'm gonna let you look at the the

1374
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:00,800
powerpoint yourself

1375
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,480
but there are more than 300

1376
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,240
chemical species that have already been

1377
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:08,160
discovered some of them quite complex

1378
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:08,800
like

1379
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:12,880
formaldehyde amino acids

1380
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:16,079
glycine which scientists and astronomers

1381
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:17,280
have been looking at for more than a

1382
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,160
decade

1383
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:21,359
they finally found glycine glycine

1384
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,880
is the basis of all proteins on earth

1385
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:27,359
if you've got glycine you can make

1386
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:28,240
proteins

1387
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,319
life

1388
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,280
space is full of amino acids and

1389
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,880
glycines

1390
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,319
it turns out when it rains out you go up

1391
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,880
of the house and it's raining the three

1392
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,000
amino acids that we find in angel here

1393
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,119
are also found in rain and that is

1394
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,319
because

1395
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,400
all of the interstellar dust which i'll

1396
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,240
talk about in a minute

1397
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,240
rains down continuously on the

1398
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:57,680
stratosphere

1399
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,520
and settles to earth including as

1400
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,240
rain water and in fact especially as

1401
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,280
rain water

1402
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,440
and the reason is because these tiny

1403
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,800
tiny little

1404
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
nanoparticles they're like ten to a

1405
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:13,119
thousand angstroms

1406
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:17,760
very small way smaller than you here

1407
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:21,520
what happens is the ice in interstellar

1408
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,079
space

1409
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,440
various kinds of ice like ammonia ice

1410
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,040
and these hydrocarbons for energetic

1411
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:30,400
reasons you don't need to

1412
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,000
care about they nucleate on

1413
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,240
these dust particles so the dust

1414
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:38,000
particle acts as a

1415
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,440
home for all this crap

1416
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,040
and so when these dust particles fall

1417
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:45,599
into the atmosphere they are coated

1418
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,280
with amino acids and all these other

1419
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,800
hydrocarbons and the reason they're in

1420
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,680
our atmosphere

1421
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,880
is both because they fall from space

1422
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,040
and because some of this material is

1423
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,319
generated

1424
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,960
biologically from the earth there are

1425
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,079
materials

1426
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,559
on earth called terpenes certainly

1427
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,160
you've heard of turpentine

1428
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,599
but terpenes and terpene

1429
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,400
is based on the molecule called isoprene

1430
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,680
the unique thing about

1431
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,599
carbon chemistry i'm not going to ask

1432
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,800
any of you to remember you this

1433
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:19,680
chemistry

1434
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,119
just remember the punchline

1435
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:26,559
the the point the logic

1436
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,000
terpenes there are more than 3 000

1437
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,839
flavors of terpenes all of which exist

1438
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,200
on the earth okay these are all

1439
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,079
hydrocarbons a lot of them are the

1440
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,240
chemicals you smell by

1441
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:45,680
like limonene which is a lemon smell

1442
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,520
citronella which is a citrus smell

1443
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,240
they're not all smell oriented but most

1444
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,839
terpenes are produced

1445
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,960
on earth in trees and plants and the

1446
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:58,559
reason they do that

1447
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,920
is to ward off insects insects do not

1448
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,119
like terpenes

1449
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,559
effectively so the trees in the bushes

1450
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:07,760
and the plants

1451
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,880
use these terpenes as defense that's how

1452
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,800
they defend themselves

1453
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,880
okay it's been figured out about 40

1454
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,240
years ago

1455
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:18,240
um more and more research goes on but

1456
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,359
these terpenes

1457
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:22,160
there are specific turbines to ward off

1458
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:22,880
specific

1459
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:26,839
bugs if you can believe it okay so these

1460
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,400
terpenes make it up into the troposphere

1461
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:33,119
our troposphere just by the fusion and

1462
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,079
wind

1463
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,760
and they get oxidized and they form

1464
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:37,839
something called soa

1465
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,480
which is stands for oxidized

1466
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,880
secondary oxidized aerosol but basically

1467
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,680
what it is is

1468
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,520
greens that get oxidized in the

1469
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:49,680
atmosphere with the oxygen that's up

1470
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:50,240
there

1471
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,000
so everything

1472
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,000
oxidizes okay and so

1473
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,400
[Music]

1474
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,760
in addition to the space

1475
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,559
interstellar space source of materials

1476
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,400
to produce angel here

1477
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:09,040
we also have the potential source of the

1478
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,000
tropospheric

1479
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,960
materials which also include heavy hard

1480
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,000
carbons

1481
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:17,200
and these amino acids to produce angel

1482
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:18,160
hair

1483
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:22,839
produced by a combination of both of

1484
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,079
these

1485
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,480
but that when uaps come into the

1486
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,040
atmosphere they're probably bringing

1487
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,640
a uap agglomerated coating with them

1488
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:35,040
this coating got agglomerated by flying

1489
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,480
light years

1490
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,160
through not quite a perfect vacuum

1491
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,119
and so these species are agglomerated as

1492
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,480
a thin film

1493
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,240
or even a thick film maybe a millimeter

1494
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:48,400
thick goop

1495
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,000
grease under the surface of the ufo

1496
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,200
and once he gets down here is he wraps

1497
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,720
his angel here we'll talk about

1498
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:59,119
the mechanism for how it erupts in a

1499
00:55:03,030 --> 00:54:59,920
minute all right

1500
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,040
well we have to go into our break

1501
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,280
so uh this is really good thank you so

1502
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,040
much i'm i'm enjoying it i hope

1503
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,240
i hope a lot of people are uh also here

1504
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,960
so i wanted to talk uh quickly about uh

1505
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,760
the break for

1506
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,640
you people over in youtube i'm gonna be

1507
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,520
playing a uh

1508
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,200
clip i just think it's interesting

1509
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,640
because i had never heard it before but

1510
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:22,559
i guess it's out there somewhere

1511
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,599
is uh when back in 2006

1512
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,960
actually the same year and about the

1513
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,599
same time i had my ufo sighting

1514
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,040
there was the c-17 at o'hare airport

1515
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,319
sighting and uh some uh radio uh tower

1516
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,720
uh audio is out and i'm gonna be playing

1517
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:39,920
that during the break

1518
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,440
so hang in everyone over at kgr radio

1519
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,920
uh we'll be right back right after these

1520
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,760
messages

1521
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,359
one group that filed freedom of

1522
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,119
information act requests was the

1523
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,440
national aviation reporting center

1524
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,160
on anomalous phenomenon or narcap

1525
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,440
official faa

1526
00:56:01,109 --> 00:56:00,160
freedom of information act logs show

1527
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:01,119
that narcap

1528
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,400
had requested faa radio communications

1529
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,319
from chicago o'hare

1530
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,520
during the alleged ufo sighting this

1531
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,920
audio was indeed released

1532
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:15,359
and within a very detailed 152-page

1533
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:16,319
report

1534
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:19,119
narcat printed a transcript of this

1535
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,000
audio

1536
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:23,119
however beyond the transcript not many

1537
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:23,839
people have

1538
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,280
heard the actual audio after an

1539
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:29,280
extensive search we have obtained the

1540
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,319
audio

1541
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,880
of radio communications between united

1542
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:34,720
airlines and the faa

1543
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,359
at chicago o'hare international airport

1544
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,440
on the afternoon of november 7th

1545
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:41,920
2006. you know i haven't seen anything

1546
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:58,630
did he have to take a break because i

1547
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,040
called him no this is super united

1548
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:03,440
yes there was a disc out there flying

1549
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,319
around

1550
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:06,880
there was a what a disc a disc can you

1551
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,630
okay i'm sorry what uh what can i do for

1552
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,920
you oh yeah all right

1553
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,680
there was i told dave there was a disc

1554
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,920
flying outside above charlie 17

1555
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:20,319
and he thought i was pretty much high

1556
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,280
but um

1557
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:23,119
i'm not high and i'm not drinking

1558
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,640
someone actually has a picture of it so

1559
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,240
if you guys see it out there a

1560
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:29,040
disc like a frisbee like a ufo type

1561
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,559
thing

1562
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,839
yeah okay okay yeah you have a picture

1563
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,079
how high above charlie 17. well it was

1564
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,520
above our tower

1565
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,240
so if you happen to see anything you

1566
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:41,760
know what i'll keep appealed eye for

1567
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:42,319
that all right

1568
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,630
power kid this is dave hey guys

1569
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,990
i got an interesting one for you guys

1570
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,680
here some of our employees i don't know

1571
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,880
if you heard anything about this

1572
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,799
um some of our pilots on the ground were

1573
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,359
reporting a ufo sighting at a thousand

1574
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:03,040
feet from the seaside of the airport did

1575
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:04,160
you guys hear anything about it you know

1576
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,040
what the ramp

1577
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,480
called me i want to say about 10-15

1578
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:08,079
minutes ago we have not seen anything up

1579
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,559
there

1580
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,319
okay yeah because she said it was right

1581
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:11,760
around gate g-17

1582
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,799
okay but i mean and since she called

1583
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:16,079
i've been looking but we have not seen

1584
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:16,640
anything

1585
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,720
we will surely keep an eye out that's

1586
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:36,000
for sure thank you very much no

1587
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:46,150
ground gateway 6668 penalty box ready to

1588
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,480
go

1589
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,960
to the north port i gave away 56-68 you

1590
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:50,319
could use alpha northport and use

1591
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,119
caution for the

1592
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:53,280
ufos i have for the north support we'll

1593
00:59:00,789 --> 00:59:00,069
united maintenance 44. okay it's 44.

1594
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,799
thank you all right

1595
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,040
44 is going around the north excellent

1596
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,880
uh you got eagle and sky west over here

1597
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,559
coming around this way he's turning into

1598
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,240
a factory really got no other gate holes

1599
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,839
all right somebody reported a ufo or a

1600
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:11,280
flying disc above charlie concourse

1601
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:11,839
seriously

1602
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:14,720
excellent yeah um so nobody can see my

1603
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:15,040
eyes

1604
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,750
sorry about that welcome back this is

1605
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:34,880
martin willis

1606
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,559
and our guest um tonight is jack sliwa

1607
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:39,920
and uh we were having a great

1608
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,280
conversation i think it's a great

1609
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:42,640
conversation i find it

1610
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,240
fascinating on the angel hair there were

1611
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:48,000
some great questions coming in i hope i

1612
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,799
can

1613
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,359
try to remember to get to some of them

1614
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,319
again

1615
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,240
when we get to the last half hour of the

1616
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,640
show i'm going to be taking calls people

1617
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,440
can call in

1618
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,680
and also we're giving away a couple of

1619
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,680
t-shirts and one of the uh paintings i

1620
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,640
did

1621
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,880
with a flying disc and i don't think it

1622
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,000
had any

1623
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,359
angel hair coming from it not yet but uh

1624
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,599
welcome back jack and one of the things

1625
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,799
i like the way that sounded

1626
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,440
welcome back and um one of the things

1627
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,640
that i was thinking about when you're

1628
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:17,920
talking about

1629
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:21,760
this interesting subject was uh

1630
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,240
the the um theory of panspermia

1631
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,640
um you know you talk about these things

1632
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,280
that are coming through they're all

1633
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,760
through yeah you know the universe yeah

1634
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,799
mark martin let me

1635
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,559
let me i'm going to answer your question

1636
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:38,960
but in an exciting way you didn't expect

1637
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:42,880
how's that okay all right

1638
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,280
um it is true that the way angel here

1639
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,079
is formed and the source being this

1640
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,319
interstellar material

1641
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,599
that what is whatever is out there ends

1642
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,040
up here

1643
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,799
on the ground and not only on the ground

1644
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,599
but with some nutrients to kick it off

1645
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:05,920
because the proteins in this stuff

1646
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,950
it's probably a good point that i

1647
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:13,359
mentioned what is the mechanism how does

1648
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:13,920
this hair

1649
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,079
form okay so you can understand that

1650
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,960
uh it's really simple believe it or not

1651
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:22,400
there's a process

1652
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:26,559
called spinning it is a human developed

1653
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:30,000
process okay there are people

1654
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,000
today making covet masks

1655
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,000
using electro spinning why are they

1656
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,240
using electro spinning method because

1657
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:39,520
it's a great way to make

1658
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,880
really fine threads and if you make

1659
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:44,880
really fine threads for a covered mask

1660
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,240
the cove is probably not going to get

1661
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,240
through it right so

1662
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,680
this electrode spinning method here's

1663
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:51,119
how it works it's in principle it's

1664
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:52,799
really simple

1665
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:56,079
you take a container of liquid this is

1666
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,760
the raw material

1667
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,680
whatever it is you want to spin the

1668
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:01,920
material that you're going to make the

1669
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:05,119
fiber out of the hair you put an

1670
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:05,599
electric

1671
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,960
field in front of it out here let's say

1672
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,680
okay that electric field is on the order

1673
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:13,760
of 30 000 volts

1674
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,599
okay what happens if the liquid is

1675
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,960
conductive

1676
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,839
the liquid literally gets sucked off the

1677
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,039
surface

1678
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,079
as strings as fibers

1679
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,799
this is called electrospinning the

1680
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,400
original way of doing electro spinning

1681
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:33,680
was out of a tiny tiny tiny

1682
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,039
and the liquid we pump through the

1683
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,599
nozzle and it was done with dc

1684
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,240
voltage and you could make yards and

1685
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,280
yards and yards of

1686
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:44,240
really fine fiber a hundred times a

1687
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:45,680
thousand times finer

1688
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,799
than spider fiber all right

1689
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,160
but when all the companies got their

1690
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,839
noses in this and say hey wait a minute

1691
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:53,839
that's a fantastic technique

1692
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,960
but it's slow as hell and i can't make

1693
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:58,480
any money on this

1694
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,680
so what people then did was they made dc

1695
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,000
electro spinning with nozzles or they

1696
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,240
had 100 nozzles

1697
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,160
and then somebody else figured out well

1698
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,799
if i bubble gas through a liquid

1699
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,160
and put the electric field above the

1700
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:13,920
liquid above the bubbles

1701
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,559
i can get 10 streams of fiber stringing

1702
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,839
off each bubble

1703
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:20,880
and i could get 100 times the output and

1704
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,280
then

1705
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,319
finally the rig breakthrough

1706
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,319
somebody invented what's called ac

1707
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,839
electrospinning

1708
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:30,319
so it's not dc it's not a fixed negative

1709
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,280
voltage

1710
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:33,280
it's ac plus minus plus minus just like

1711
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,319
the power

1712
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,680
in your wall about 30 000 volts

1713
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:40,400
and for this charges are induced in the

1714
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,839
liquid so the liquid doesn't have to

1715
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:44,400
even be conductive all right and you

1716
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,440
will see

1717
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,520
in the powerpoint when we get to it or

1718
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,480
when you see it

1719
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,640
you will see live electrospinning

1720
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,640
happening in the lab hood

1721
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,960
and this fibrous stuff coming out like

1722
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:56,559
mount vesuvius

1723
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:59,119
all right it's very easy to do all you

1724
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:00,160
need is a high voltage

1725
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:03,200
power supply and don't kill yourself but

1726
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,920
the bottom line is any liquid any

1727
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,599
hydrocarbon that has

1728
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,599
within a certain viscosity range it has

1729
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,960
to be thick enough

1730
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,799
that it can form a string and not pull

1731
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:15,119
apart but it can't be so thick that it

1732
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,160
won't

1733
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,680
pull it off the surface

1734
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,720
okay so it turns out

1735
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,799
thousands and thousands of different

1736
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:26,640
kinds of liquids

1737
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,079
have been electro spun dc

1738
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:33,520
and ac now getting to your question uh

1739
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,720
martin people have even made this is

1740
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:38,799
hitting the medical field

1741
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,720
big time because grafts and implants

1742
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,319
and stuff that are made of very fine

1743
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,880
fibers are fibers that can degrade in

1744
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:48,799
the body and disappear

1745
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:52,079
this is a fantastic way to make those

1746
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,119
because as you spin the fiber you can

1747
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:56,640
even do things like put

1748
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:04,230
drugs anything you want you can put in

1749
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,520
these fibers

1750
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:07,920
in controlled amounts and so medical

1751
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,559
devices are really taken off

1752
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:13,280
because for example in a colored mask

1753
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,839
you could put

1754
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,839
additional chemicals in the covered

1755
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,000
fiber in the fibers of the mask

1756
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:19,680
that kill the clover that ends up in the

1757
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:23,280
mask so it's really an amazing

1758
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,039
uh technology people have also put in

1759
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:30,160
nanoparticles solid particles

1760
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:34,480
nanoparticles they're very very small

1761
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,319
angstroms but these can be put in

1762
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,880
and they can come out inside the fiber

1763
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:42,400
you can load the fiber

1764
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,000
up to 30 by weight with particles these

1765
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,839
could be drug particles

1766
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,520
they could be slow breakdown drug

1767
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:51,839
particles they could be anything

1768
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,039
you want anything um so

1769
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:58,319
that gets to martin's point

1770
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:02,319
as this spacecraft flies around the uap

1771
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,240
whatever it collects on the surface and

1772
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:06,640
as some of you might know

1773
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,839
uh the iss even has

1774
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,520
bacteria growing on the outside of it

1775
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:12,880
and i always know that

1776
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:15,280
yeah i've heard about that from the

1777
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,079
astronauts

1778
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,359
but bacteria can live in space for

1779
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,440
an amount of time this uv that

1780
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,760
eventually kills it

1781
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,880
um this agglomerated coatings that i'm

1782
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:28,400
talking about the uav flying through

1783
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:30,839
space and picking up this

1784
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,079
stuff will be

1785
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:37,760
ex expulsed or extruded

1786
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,200
as this hair whatever was in that film

1787
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,520
is going to be in that hair so if there

1788
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:45,520
was any kind of biological

1789
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:48,799
anything including proteins

1790
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,839
including amino acids which are the

1791
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,280
building blocks of proteins

1792
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,240
that's all going to be in the hair some

1793
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,000
of you may have heard of

1794
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:01,520
star jelly a subject which most people

1795
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,079
poo poo

1796
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,520
and ridicule and this is this clear

1797
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,960
jelly that's been found on the ground

1798
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:09,119
over the years particularly after

1799
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,400
meteors fall

1800
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,200
some connection to meteors it probably

1801
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,119
turns out that the mechanism for that

1802
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,680
is very similar to the mechanism what

1803
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,079
i'm talking about performing angel hair

1804
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,880
because that goop has about the same

1805
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,079
composition

1806
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:26,880
as the angel here so it probably comes

1807
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,880
about by the same mechanism

1808
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,520
to jump back to angel here which is a

1809
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:32,960
neat subject

1810
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,240
um angel here doesn't just happen

1811
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,720
on earth it's going to happen on any

1812
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:40,079
planet

1813
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:43,760
where you can

1814
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,119
the us the uaps we know uaps have

1815
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:50,160
ac electric and magnetic fields

1816
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,520
the best information is that those

1817
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,880
fields cycle at

1818
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:57,599
something around there's at least some

1819
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:58,400
element around

1820
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,920
50 hertz 50 hertz so you've heard people

1821
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,160
say with the ufo i heard this

1822
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,920
and it shook my body and it gave me a

1823
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:08,880
headache all this that's the 50 hertz

1824
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,079
vibration turns out

1825
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,200
50 hertz is the optimal frequency

1826
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:18,400
for ac electro spinning nice coincidence

1827
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:20,000
huh

1828
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,520
although you can electrospin up to a

1829
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:23,040
kilohertz it gets

1830
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,560
and more inefficient as you go up in

1831
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,480
frequency

1832
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:29,359
so uaps not only have these films on

1833
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,239
them

1834
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,359
but they also have the driving force

1835
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,719
to kick off these fibers the last really

1836
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,159
important point i want to make is some

1837
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:39,600
of you going to go look up electro

1838
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,319
spinning

1839
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:43,440
on your laptop remember dc electro

1840
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,000
spinning

1841
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,799
requires you have an electrode out in

1842
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,719
front of the source of liquid

1843
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,960
so once plus and once minus it's sort of

1844
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:52,640
electrically suck this stuff off the

1845
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,759
surface

1846
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,440
ac spinning you don't need an electrode

1847
01:09:01,030 --> 01:09:00,000
all you need is the source coated

1848
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:01,040
surface

1849
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:04,159
and what happens is the cloud of fibers

1850
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,199
comes off

1851
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,199
and parks itself right in front of the

1852
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,359
surface of the uap

1853
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,679
and acts as a virtual electrode it acts

1854
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:13,679
as the other polarity

1855
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,560
which allows this stuff to keep coming

1856
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,600
off

1857
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,159
so you don't need to place an electrode

1858
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,520
like with dc

1859
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:24,000
with ac it produces its own electrode

1860
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,279
and you'll see that

1861
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,600
in the short video of ac electro

1862
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,199
spinning that you see in the powerpoint

1863
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,120
that you'll get later

1864
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,159
um yeah you could you could share the

1865
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:35,839
screen and play that powerpoint if you

1866
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,640
wanted to

1867
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,719
i mean i have the screen all you have to

1868
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,960
do is switch it to the

1869
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:43,600
that particular video on the powerpoint

1870
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:45,040
you still have control of the powerpoint

1871
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,480
is what i'm saying

1872
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,359
okay how do i do that just you must see

1873
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:50,560
the powerpoint on your

1874
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,600
computer just do it the way you normally

1875
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,120
would

1876
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,840
oh my desktop's being screened being

1877
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:59,520
said your desktop is sharing the screen

1878
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,080
yes

1879
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,760
okay so let me try moving this aside

1880
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:05,360
okay now we'll go to the powerpoint can

1881
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:06,880
you see the powerpoint now yeah

1882
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:07,840
everything's here yeah

1883
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:10,800
great great quick great okay we're ready

1884
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,360
we're gonna

1885
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,840
run this all right okay what you see on

1886
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:15,440
the left and the right the right is a

1887
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,640
video the one on the left is a

1888
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:18,159
photograph

1889
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,870
can you expand that video or not no uh

1890
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,520
i don't know i don't think so don't mess

1891
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,790
yeah i don't think i can expand it let

1892
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:38,080
me run it again let me put it in the

1893
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,229
and let me run it again so we're gonna

1894
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,920
run it again here

1895
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,400
okay so there it appears and see the guy

1896
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,159
is just pulling off with his hands see

1897
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,840
that this isn't a lap

1898
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,800
cfs it's coming off right that's coming

1899
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:57,600
off at like a foot per second

1900
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,719
all right and people have um long

1901
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,640
wondered how you can produce so

1902
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,280
much angel hair um here what's happening

1903
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,840
is they're winding it on a wire

1904
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,159
if you want to make the angel hair

1905
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:12,239
production method useful

1906
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,679
obviously you need to wind it up and

1907
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,840
save it right so here

1908
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:18,719
this guy's intending to sell this wire

1909
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,520
or cable

1910
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,840
wrapped with this special angel here

1911
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,000
substance perhaps as an insulation

1912
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,400
for example but in this case it's just

1913
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:28,719
an experiment it's a convenient way

1914
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,320
to um gather the angel here so this wire

1915
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,159
is moving left to right

1916
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,640
so it gets a progressive coating on it

1917
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:38,480
and it's wound up so you end up with a

1918
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:39,520
coil of wire

1919
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,480
with a coating of this yarn on it now

1920
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,400
the nice thing about the ac method if

1921
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,560
you look at the photo on the left hand

1922
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,400
side of the slide you notice it's coming

1923
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:51,120
out it's kind of like a tube

1924
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,640
right you see where my blue arrow is on

1925
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,480
the left side

1926
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,560
well that's like a hollow cylinder the

1927
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,760
angel here

1928
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:59,840
is filling the cylinder and the inside's

1929
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,880
hollow

1930
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,880
so what the manufacturers are really

1931
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,239
interested in doing

1932
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:07,520
is pulling a fiber they want to coat

1933
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,640
up the middle and having this

1934
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,640
fiber that's growing on the outside as a

1935
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:13,760
cylinder

1936
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,360
collapse inwards and coat their fiber

1937
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:19,440
and in the medical industry there's on

1938
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,719
the right you can see the wire getting

1939
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:22,719
coated very nicely now

1940
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:26,239
um this throughput of this ac method

1941
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,159
is a hundred to a thousand times higher

1942
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,080
than the dc method

1943
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:33,679
so uh most of the latest uh stuff is uh

1944
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,280
is a lot of the stuff is is ac

1945
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,520
so just just to clear something up

1946
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,360
because we had a question come up and

1947
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:44,080
chat chat and that is what you're

1948
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,199
showing here is not

1949
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,520
what people are finding from ufos what

1950
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,960
you are showing here

1951
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:51,120
is the type of thing but not it's not

1952
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,080
working now

1953
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:54,159
right now what i already mentioned is

1954
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,120
that you can spin

1955
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,920
just about any fluid that has the right

1956
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,080
viscosity with some conductivity

1957
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,719
with dc electrode spinning with ac all

1958
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:04,080
you need is a viscosity you don't even

1959
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,360
need the conductivity

1960
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:07,679
with the ac spinning it induces ionic

1961
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,719
conduction

1962
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,239
in the liquid so it doesn't have to be

1963
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,000
conducted to begin with

1964
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,640
so um the liquid that you see in the

1965
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:16,239
star on the left is just some liquid

1966
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:17,440
like pmma

1967
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,400
polymethyl methacrylate or some routine

1968
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:22,400
liquid that's often used for experiments

1969
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:22,960
in the

1970
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:25,600
chemistry lab it's a fairly mundane

1971
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:26,239
simple

1972
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:31,040
and the bottom line is people have

1973
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,400
demonstrated

1974
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:34,480
at least a thousand different polymers

1975
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:35,440
being

1976
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,640
uh electrospun which is what you're

1977
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,000
seeing on the left

1978
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:43,920
so that head is called a spin head but

1979
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,760
it's not spinning

1980
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,360
it just got that name of spinning

1981
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,600
because in the original dc spinning

1982
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,360
the fiber would actually whip around

1983
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,600
like a lasso wildly

1984
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,800
and the people would say look it's

1985
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:56,320
spinning out of control it's not really

1986
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:56,880
spinning

1987
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,440
it's whipping so none of this there's

1988
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,960
nothing spinning here

1989
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,280
there's just a number of ac electrodes

1990
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:05,199
uh and the liquid oozing out onto the

1991
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,159
electrodes

1992
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,000
on that little post you see sticking out

1993
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:11,040
of the jar in the jar is the solution

1994
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,560
if you let that run you could spin the

1995
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,159
whole jars worth

1996
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,679
and you could probably take those fibers

1997
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:17,280
and walk all the way down to 7-eleven

1998
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:18,080
with them

1999
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,080
um so going back to

2000
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,120
you know when these are coming off you

2001
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,320
ufos or uaps as you mentioned them

2002
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,679
uh and it could be at any plant does it

2003
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:32,640
have to do

2004
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:35,920
with more or less with the charges

2005
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:38,320
the positive and negative charges like

2006
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:38,960
an

2007
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,239
or or i'm just getting at this point

2008
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:44,560
you don't consider say the moon as

2009
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:45,360
having

2010
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,480
uh uh much of an atmosphere so i'm just

2011
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:50,080
saying if something came in from the

2012
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:50,960
moon

2013
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,840
have the angel dust come off of it

2014
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,719
without you

2015
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:58,960
the problem with that though the answer

2016
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,120
is yes but

2017
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:03,840
remember angel hair sublimates yeah and

2018
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:05,120
if you lower the pressure

2019
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,480
or go to a vacuum it's going to

2020
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,640
sublimate almost instantly i see

2021
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:10,080
there won't be anything left to

2022
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,679
electrospin

2023
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,640
all right but if you have an atmosphere

2024
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:16,800
like on a planet with an atmosphere

2025
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:19,520
i think mars is still too rare moon has

2026
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:20,159
none

2027
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,560
venus is too hot but a planet with an

2028
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,239
atmosphere you know like anything

2029
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:26,080
on the order of part of an atmosphere or

2030
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,679
earth atmosphere

2031
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:30,000
regardless of the gas you would be able

2032
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,679
to spin

2033
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:33,679
i just wanted to show you this can you

2034
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:38,790
uh relatives uncle jack you're doing

2035
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,070
okay that's from jeff oh really

2036
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:48,480
oh okay that's right your nephew yeah

2037
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,760
wow cool

2038
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:52,080
okay so now you're being put on the spot

2039
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:52,880
fantastic

2040
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,320
okay so any fluid pretty much any

2041
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:57,760
hydrocarbon

2042
01:16:01,510 --> 01:16:01,040
can be electro spun it almost doesn't

2043
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,520
matter

2044
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:04,000
what you put in it as long as it's not

2045
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,800
so big

2046
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,640
if it gets to be as large as the fiber

2047
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:09,440
you want the fiber is going to break

2048
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:12,000
and it will fail now another question i

2049
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:12,800
have for you

2050
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:16,400
jack um you mentioned disc shape

2051
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,679
ufos you mentioned cigar shaped ufos

2052
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:21,600
a lot of people talking about triangle

2053
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:22,800
ufos

2054
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,000
right um has anyone ever reported

2055
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,880
the angel hair uh you know trace

2056
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,239
evidence from

2057
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:32,560
i am i am trying to do that in the next

2058
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:33,440
two minutes

2059
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,320
okay okay just jumping back a little bit

2060
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:38,560
to the left-hand picture

2061
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:41,280
the angel here can come off of an

2062
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:42,560
unfeatured

2063
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:45,679
smooth surface you do not need

2064
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:49,920
any orifices you don't need any nozzles

2065
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:53,040
all you need is a smooth surface and the

2066
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:54,239
electricity

2067
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:58,080
electric field creates these little

2068
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:59,520
tipples or whatever you want to call

2069
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,760
them little points on the surface of

2070
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,199
liquid if you want the technical term

2071
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:04,880
they're called taylor cones

2072
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,120
and these little tips turn into

2073
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:08,880
extruding strings

2074
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:10,640
and you can get hundreds of them

2075
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,480
especially from a continuous

2076
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,880
film now as some of your a lot of your

2077
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,400
listeners probably know

2078
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,880
if you have a object that has a very

2079
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,280
high intensity electric field on it

2080
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,480
the largest fields are at the corners

2081
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:26,000
that's why the corner of high field

2082
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:27,520
objects usually break down first where

2083
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:28,000
you get an

2084
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,239
arc and that's why the angel hairs comes

2085
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:33,760
off the ends and off the ends because

2086
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:35,360
you have the highest electric field

2087
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,840
there

2088
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,520
so that's the first place you can have

2089
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,120
enough electric field

2090
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,679
to drive it off if the voltage on the

2091
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:43,199
entire craft was high enough it would

2092
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:44,400
probably come off

2093
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,000
all over the craft okay so it can come

2094
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:50,159
off anywhere on the craft

2095
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,360
and it's ac and it can be

2096
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:55,760
insulating or it can be conductive now

2097
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:56,800
what was your question

2098
01:18:01,110 --> 01:18:00,239
i'm sorry um just like if if something

2099
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,120
was

2100
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:03,280
in a different atmosphere like the moon

2101
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,480
or something like that

2102
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:06,159
well if you haven't i'm sorry that was

2103
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:07,520
uh previous no

2104
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,640
um about triangle ufos have they ever

2105
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,400
has

2106
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:14,960
look at the website when not now please

2107
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,600
if you look at my website

2108
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,080
uapbehavior.com

2109
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,320
i believe there is an addendum in there

2110
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:22,400
and if there's not i'll put it in

2111
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,880
but um reported in the mufon and mufon's

2112
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,640
a fine organization

2113
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,719
mufon report one case in their cms

2114
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:30,480
system

2115
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:33,040
a couple of years ago of triangles

2116
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:33,920
leaving be

2117
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,920
material that fell to the ground that is

2118
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,360
almost certainly

2119
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,920
angel hair it was at night and there

2120
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,719
were two of them

2121
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,719
and they were both doing the same thing

2122
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,320
i don't remember whether i already cited

2123
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,760
that as an addendum

2124
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,280
in the angel his section or not but if i

2125
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:53,120
didn't i will add it but

2126
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:56,719
yes um so now let me get to

2127
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,480
triangles because discs have massive

2128
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:01,920
services

2129
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:05,199
of which to extrude angel here

2130
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:08,000
and where this stuff conglomerate uh

2131
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,120
cigars

2132
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,880
of which we don't see very many anymore

2133
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,440
especially not 300 foot cigars

2134
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,360
apparently the top end of the cigar when

2135
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,159
it hangs at 45 degrees in the air

2136
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,760
almost all the angel here comes off the

2137
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,679
top end so i suspect when a thing goes

2138
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,960
through space

2139
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,880
it's traveling in an interstellar manner

2140
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:26,400
because it's a mother chip

2141
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:28,560
most of the goop is getting attached on

2142
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,920
the front end because that's what hits

2143
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,880
first

2144
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,640
uh that makes sense and that's where

2145
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,640
most of the angel hair comes off

2146
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:36,560
mostly illinois coating is on the front

2147
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,000
end of the cigar

2148
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,920
let's talk about triangles the subject

2149
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,840
is absolutely fascinating

2150
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:43,600
um i have been in contact with dave

2151
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:47,679
marlar uh marlar i know he's a great guy

2152
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,239
yeah everything wonderful gentlemen um

2153
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:54,640
you may be aware if you look at a

2154
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:55,440
triangle

2155
01:20:02,709 --> 01:19:59,440
in uh 89

2156
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:02,719
was it 89.91 yesterday yes

2157
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,719
um right uh black triangles

2158
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,480
typically when you look at them at night

2159
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,239
they have three lights

2160
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:12,880
in the corners right not maybe

2161
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:14,159
equilateral triangle it may be an

2162
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,960
isosceles

2163
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:16,480
triangle which means the sides aren't

2164
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:18,560
the same length two of them are always

2165
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:19,360
the same length

2166
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:23,360
to the sides but anyway those three

2167
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,280
uh are almost certainly levitators

2168
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,920
in other words they hold up the ufo they

2169
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:31,120
levitate it

2170
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:34,880
okay of the back end of the triangle

2171
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:37,840
is the big time engine this is the one

2172
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:38,639
that gives you

2173
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:42,080
the hundreds of g's so it accelerates so

2174
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:42,960
fast

2175
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,520
you don't even see it disappear but

2176
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:47,440
these levitators in order for

2177
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,040
a triangle to go over you slowly

2178
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,360
you need to have something that acts to

2179
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,800
hold it up

2180
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,480
obviously because it's going slowly or

2181
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:58,480
it's stationary it doesn't need the

2182
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,199
engine

2183
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,960
of the rear end all it needs is these

2184
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:03,360
levitators so there's a levitator

2185
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:06,960
in each corner it turns out some sharp

2186
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:09,840
eyed people recently looking at these

2187
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:10,560
videos

2188
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:14,000
of black triangles such as over belgium

2189
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,639
have noticed that these white lights in

2190
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:17,760
the corners

2191
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:20,960
are actually a set of three lights

2192
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:24,080
each one actually has three

2193
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:27,360
sub white lights if you're far enough

2194
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:28,080
away

2195
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:29,679
it looks like one light but it's

2196
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,199
actually three lights

2197
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:33,360
and these three lights so-called lights

2198
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,560
have been observed by people with

2199
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:36,159
binoculars

2200
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,600
um it turns out almost certainly

2201
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:42,320
those three lights are three thrusters

2202
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:44,159
and those three thrusters are not

2203
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:44,880
pointed

2204
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:51,120
at an ax or at an axis two

2205
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,639
straight down so in other words let's

2206
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,719
say 15 or 20 degrees

2207
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:56,320
to a line going straight down to the

2208
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,000
ground now why would they do that

2209
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:03,199
well if you want to creep forward with

2210
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,719
your triangle

2211
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,360
you only light up the appropriate one of

2212
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,800
the three the one that's at the

2213
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:10,320
appropriate angle

2214
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:13,120
and it drags the uap forward and that

2215
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:14,719
would be the one of the three

2216
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,159
on all three corners so three sub lights

2217
01:22:21,669 --> 01:22:19,760
on three corners i'm calling the lights

2218
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:21,679
but they're really thrusters

2219
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:24,639
um to drag it forward now if you turn on

2220
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:25,600
a different one

2221
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:28,480
that's angled forward it will push the

2222
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:29,120
craft

2223
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:32,480
back and many of you i'm sure have read

2224
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:35,679
that you triangle uaps have frequently

2225
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:38,719
been seen flying backwards with the flat

2226
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,840
face forward you might say oh they're

2227
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,840
flying vertical they've seen them

2228
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,520
right so how can they do that i mean if

2229
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,040
the engine's in the back well the engine

2230
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,639
is in the back but that's the

2231
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:50,320
the main thruster engine to get it out

2232
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:51,760
of earth

2233
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:54,800
ambien but these thrusters um

2234
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:57,679
are have you know just enough power to

2235
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,040
levitate this thing

2236
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,760
so because if you only activate them in

2237
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:03,280
the proper sequence the ones at the

2238
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,760
proper

2239
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:05,520
angle you can make this thing go

2240
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,800
backwards at two three

2241
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:09,440
four five fifteen miles an hour and

2242
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,199
that's what they're doing

2243
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,760
just this question up here um what is

2244
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:15,679
this based on how do you know

2245
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,840
um any of this i think that's a pretty

2246
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,320
well

2247
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,520
speculation but

2248
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:25,199
uh to begin with this i think there's

2249
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:27,040
not a lot of doubt that even uh

2250
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:29,679
dave and others have in fact dave was

2251
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,080
the

2252
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,840
first one publicly that i noticed at

2253
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,320
thrusters um i thought thrusters before

2254
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,679
as well but he was the first one i think

2255
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,120
that publicly said

2256
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,280
thrusters but clearly they appear to be

2257
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,760
thrusters that hold this craft up

2258
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,400
and you will see on my website uap

2259
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:45,760
behavior.com

2260
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,560
you will see during the belgium

2261
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,239
incredible event

2262
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,920
where there was something like 200 of

2263
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:53,840
these black triangles

2264
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:56,719
seen there was a famous photograph taken

2265
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:57,520
i'm sure

2266
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,679
all of you have seen it it's called the

2267
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:01,120
petite rasheen

2268
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,639
and that's french and i'm sure i'm

2269
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:05,199
buggering it but petite rasheen means

2270
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:06,719
small something in french but it's a

2271
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,000
town

2272
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:11,600
in france and somebody

2273
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,719
in reality took a very good photo

2274
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:17,120
of one of these craft from directly

2275
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:18,080
underneath

2276
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:21,040
and it's called the petite machine photo

2277
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,560
and if you get on that's p

2278
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,600
t i t hyphen r e c h a

2279
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,679
i n and again i believe it's the name of

2280
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:30,080
the town where the photo was taken so

2281
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,840
let me tell you the story of this

2282
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:34,159
this photo is on my website this photo

2283
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:35,120
is all over

2284
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:38,239
the internet this photo

2285
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,080
came out um

2286
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:45,520
uh and uh what happened

2287
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:49,120
was somebody uh claimed to have

2288
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:52,800
um taken it um

2289
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,159
but it turns out that person probably

2290
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,360
didn't take it somebody else took it

2291
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:01,440
are you talking about this this

2292
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,040
particular picture here

2293
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,800
i can't see what you're talking about

2294
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:06,480
it's right in the screen in front of you

2295
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,400
no you don't see

2296
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,719
you don't see the image up here no i see

2297
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:14,719
i see your box

2298
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:17,440
no no i don't see it oh that's it

2299
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,560
minimize this window hold on

2300
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:23,120
no do you see yourself in the screen

2301
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,320
yeah yeah yeah

2302
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,239
that's it right there right uh

2303
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,760
unfortunately this is a pretty lousy

2304
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,040
print

2305
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,920
um so what i want the uh listeners to do

2306
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,120
is to

2307
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,920
uh look at the uh the p the uh

2308
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,600
powerpoint when you get it

2309
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:40,639
but you will find if you look far enough

2310
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,960
you'll find a fairly high resolution

2311
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,480
picture so can you go back to the

2312
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,480
picture you do have although it's not

2313
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,239
great i can explain something about it

2314
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,520
there you go okay um the picture that

2315
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,120
you'll find that's a higher resolution

2316
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,679
is the mirror image of this one

2317
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,360
this appears at like a hundred different

2318
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:58,800
sites on the internet

2319
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,400
the picture i'm talking about is a

2320
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,800
significantly higher resolution

2321
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,800
you will note in that higher resolution

2322
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,320
picture

2323
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,600
that one of those rear thrusters you see

2324
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,520
there's three thrusters in the corner

2325
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:13,120
and there's something in the middle we

2326
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:14,239
don't quite know what the thing in the

2327
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:14,960
middle is

2328
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,120
the three in the corner are thrusters

2329
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:18,639
well if you look at the high-res picture

2330
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,679
i told you about

2331
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:22,880
you are clearly

2332
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,239
going to see hair-like material

2333
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,280
oozing away from those lights

2334
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:32,480
those thrusters and in one case a chunk

2335
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,679
of fiber

2336
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,000
probably two to three feet long it's

2337
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:37,760
actually hanging in space

2338
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,360
there you go okay look at the one on the

2339
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,960
right lower right

2340
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,800
yeah see you're looking at the bottom of

2341
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:47,280
this triangle ufo

2342
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,320
right next to where you see martin off

2343
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,400
his shoulder there see that chunk of

2344
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:53,679
fiber

2345
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,800
that's angel here i am fairly certain

2346
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,880
if you look at that same spot on the

2347
01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,000
lower right

2348
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:02,400
that back actually if you if you're in

2349
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:04,159
the ufo it's the back left thruster

2350
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:04,960
right

2351
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,120
you'll also notice there's that serrated

2352
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:08,960
structure of fibers

2353
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,440
on the forward side of the light and

2354
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,520
that serration action is happening

2355
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:15,520
because the power is pulsed

2356
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,159
hair is produced in a pulse manner

2357
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,040
and that's why you get those serrations

2358
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:25,280
if you look at the

2359
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,480
lower left of the photo you also see

2360
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,000
behind the thruster a bundle

2361
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,960
of fibers that are being left behind the

2362
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:36,800
most striking one is on the right hand

2363
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,600
side

2364
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,679
that lower right one you see a long

2365
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,639
fiber

2366
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,960
bundle right next to martin and then at

2367
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,400
the front of that

2368
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,360
far right rear thruster you'll see

2369
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:48,880
another big clump

2370
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:51,679
of angel hair i am certain this is an

2371
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:52,560
angel here

2372
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,520
it's made by the same mechanism as the

2373
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,600
angel hair from the discs

2374
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,600
you'll also see from the thruster in the

2375
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,600
front some semblance of

2376
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,920
angel hair coming off the front but the

2377
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:04,960
back two

2378
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,000
have the um have the most

2379
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,840
i also would like you to notice in this

2380
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,000
figure that this craft

2381
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:13,920
incidentally this photo has been

2382
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,040
analyzed

2383
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,080
by three of the top three photo analysts

2384
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:20,960
in the world i'm not talking about

2385
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,840
flunkies

2386
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:24,000
i'm talking about the top three experts

2387
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,960
in the world

2388
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:27,120
look it up if you don't take my word for

2389
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,159
it all

2390
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:31,120
three pronounce this photo as genuine

2391
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:32,159
that it is not

2392
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:35,440
a fake did you hear the story about this

2393
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:36,880
particular photo that

2394
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:39,760
a guy came forward and said that he

2395
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:40,400
faked it

2396
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,600
and then what happened what happened

2397
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,120
then he tried to reproduce it and he

2398
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,719
couldn't do it exactly

2399
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:48,960
a few years ago i don't remember how

2400
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,000
many i think it was in 2010

2401
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:54,159
um so maybe it's 10 years ago several

2402
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:55,440
years ago

2403
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:00,159
somebody came forward and

2404
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,159
talked to a newspaper and the newspaper

2405
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,719
newspaper went forward and wrote a story

2406
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,600
that says we got the guy who did this

2407
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:11,199
and it turned out and i'm not going to

2408
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:12,880
call anybody a liar on the show so i

2409
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,760
won't

2410
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,440
but it turned out the guy had zero

2411
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,760
credibility the person who brought the

2412
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:19,520
story to the paper

2413
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,880
not only insisted on remaining anonymous

2414
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:25,280
but he insisted that this person he said

2415
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:26,560
took the photo

2416
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:29,920
also remain anonymous so all he had was

2417
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,120
a story

2418
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,520
that said i got the guy who did this

2419
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:35,120
with absolute

2420
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:38,560
zero proof yeah um so what happened

2421
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:43,520
was somehow somebody insisted that okay

2422
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,040
you make this guy go back and take

2423
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,880
another photo that's just like the first

2424
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,880
that's right he couldn't do it the fact

2425
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:50,239
no couldn't do it it didn't look

2426
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,520
anything like the experts

2427
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,000
looked at it said no no it looks just

2428
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:58,310
um i didn't want to tell you this that

2429
01:30:02,950 --> 01:29:59,920
we are now going to be

2430
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:02,960
uh taking calls okay so

2431
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:05,120
um i did want to let uh the numbers up

2432
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:06,400
in the screen that's eight five five

2433
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,040
four seven

2434
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:10,719
two five four eight three and um

2435
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:13,679
i wanted to also tell people that uh let

2436
01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:14,000
me

2437
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:17,360
bring this up here and here's

2438
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:20,560
uh here's our the t-shirts the first two

2439
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:21,360
people

2440
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:24,400
get to choose a t-shirt and uh

2441
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,840
you have to live in the united states

2442
01:30:30,790 --> 01:30:27,520
please if you would

2443
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,800
and so that is also on our website

2444
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:33,600
which is podcast ufo.com you'll see the

2445
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:34,960
the upper bar

2446
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:37,840
menu bar you will see merchandise click

2447
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,400
on that

2448
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:40,800
and you can choose color size style

2449
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:41,600
anything

2450
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:44,159
you want okay i guess you could order a

2451
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,440
pillow if you wanted to

2452
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,199
but anyway i just wanted to let you know

2453
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,199
um the lines are open

2454
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,840
and we will take your calls first two

2455
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:53,520
callers get a t-shirt

2456
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:56,800
and the last uh caller will get

2457
01:31:02,870 --> 01:30:59,920
um i'm not saying the last call but

2458
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,880
the uh the third caller will get my

2459
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:04,560
painting

2460
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,159
of a ufo so hey martin can i get a

2461
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,159
t-shirt

2462
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:13,199
it'll cost you buddy no

2463
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:15,199
we can definitely work it out no problem

2464
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,639
go ahead with the questions

2465
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:19,199
yeah so no that's it i'm just waiting uh

2466
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:20,800
now to just let

2467
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:25,280
let everyone know the the lines are open

2468
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,000
and uh we will take your calls and i'd

2469
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:30,320
be willing to discuss uh

2470
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:33,440
just about any famous case also

2471
01:31:36,709 --> 01:31:35,440
okay sure we did have a ton of questions

2472
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:36,719
that's why i know

2473
01:31:40,149 --> 01:31:38,719
that uh we are going to have some people

2474
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,159
in uh

2475
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:42,560
yeah even bill our phone screener wants

2476
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,440
a t-shirt but

2477
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,520
it doesn't count bill sorry let's try to

2478
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,960
answer as many as possible so i'm going

2479
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,639
to go through them really quickly

2480
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,880
all right um someone had this question

2481
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:52,880
in their other chat room which is not

2482
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:56,239
is over at kgr a radio neutron asked any

2483
01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,040
findings to support what some say about

2484
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:02,159
our body carbon has been genetically

2485
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:06,000
changing in its makeup from 616

2486
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:13,750
uh let me let me say this

2487
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:18,080
that at atoms a carbon is an atom right

2488
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:21,679
atoms are essentially in violet

2489
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,239
which means that every carbon atom is

2490
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:26,560
like every other carbon atom

2491
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:28,800
and if it wasn't physics would have

2492
01:32:33,110 --> 01:32:29,840
known about it

2493
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:33,120
centuries ago every carbon atom is like

2494
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:34,960
every other carbon atom

2495
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:37,280
now there are a few things you can do to

2496
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,560
temporarily

2497
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:41,120
make atoms different and one thing you

2498
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:42,400
can do to make them permanently

2499
01:32:44,950 --> 01:32:43,440
different

2500
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:44,960
the thing to make them permanently

2501
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:46,719
different is there are different

2502
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:49,120
isotopes of most every element

2503
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,280
you probably heard the word isotope yeah

2504
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:53,040
it could be a little confusing nuclear

2505
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:54,239
stuff whatever

2506
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:57,840
all it means is that every

2507
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,400
atom one of the things in the middle of

2508
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,159
the atom are called neutrons things with

2509
01:33:08,229 --> 01:33:04,800
no electrical charge

2510
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:08,239
carbon among other mineral elements

2511
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:11,679
has multiple isotopes so they're all

2512
01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:13,520
called carbon

2513
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,280
however they have extra some of them

2514
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:17,280
have extra neutrons

2515
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:20,320
so they act chemically very slightly

2516
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:21,120
different

2517
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:24,960
than carbon-12 okay but essentially

2518
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:27,520
they're the same so that's the only

2519
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,560
different and then the other thing you

2520
01:33:33,669 --> 01:33:30,960
can do to just about any atom

2521
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,679
is you can ionize it that sounds like a

2522
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:35,120
big word but it's not really very

2523
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:36,719
complicated

2524
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:40,400
all atoms have electrons

2525
01:33:44,470 --> 01:33:42,800
running around the outside in orbits

2526
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:44,480
just like spacecraft going around

2527
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,639
earth different orbits of different

2528
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:48,000
shapes

2529
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:52,080
and if you do something to the atom

2530
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:54,320
like whack it somehow with an electron

2531
01:33:57,030 --> 01:33:55,280
beam

2532
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,040
you can knock some of those electrons

2533
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:59,440
off so they go away from the atom

2534
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,199
what happens now well it just lost an

2535
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:03,520
electron so now it's positively charged

2536
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:05,199
it lost a negative charge

2537
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,080
that's called an ion okay when you look

2538
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,600
at the aurora

2539
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:12,159
you're looking at ions of the gases in

2540
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:13,440
the atmosphere

2541
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:16,719
plasmas the purple color red color blue

2542
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:17,679
color

2543
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,040
ions

2544
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,120
that when the electrons relax and go

2545
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:24,960
back and when it recovers the electron

2546
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:28,719
it produces blue light every atom

2547
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,520
has a string of isotopes when those

2548
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:33,440
electrons recover and it's not an iso

2549
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,080
it's not a

2550
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:36,239
not an ion anymore they all have a

2551
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:38,080
specific color

2552
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,000
that's how scientists figure out so much

2553
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,159
about what's light years away

2554
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:44,159
from the spectroscopy we can tell from

2555
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:46,159
the colors we see

2556
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:47,920
what the chemicals are and what

2557
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,480
transitions they're undergoing

2558
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,800
right we have uh we have our first

2559
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,199
t-shirt uh winner ronald

2560
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:57,760
calling from minnesota uh welcome to the

2561
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:00,560
show ronald

2562
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:03,600
hi martin and hello to your guest

2563
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,920
happy holidays for merry christmas

2564
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:07,520
whatever you want to call it

2565
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:11,760
yeah i had a question about the angel

2566
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:15,520
error i've seeing some strange

2567
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:19,040
activity once um here in minnesota

2568
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:22,239
it snowed in june once and i

2569
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,600
was trying to figure out how it was

2570
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,920
snowing into occurred minnesota it could

2571
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:26,960
snow anytime

2572
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,719
but in in tune it was snowing and

2573
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,840
which was kind of weird and i didn't

2574
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,920
know about this angel hair stuff which

2575
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,119
could have been happening

2576
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:39,920
at any any point obviously all right let

2577
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,639
me tell you something

2578
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:44,239
i'm going to tell you something that you

2579
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:45,679
and others are going to find

2580
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,719
very exciting okay hopefully i'm going

2581
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,280
to make your evening here

2582
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:53,520
it turns out the way the angel hair

2583
01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:54,320
works with these

2584
01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:55,840
agglomerated coatings and then the

2585
01:36:02,709 --> 01:35:59,119
electric field pulls them off

2586
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:02,719
if the ufo spins itself fast enough

2587
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:11,590
yeah as droplets all right droplets

2588
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:14,400
all throughout the ground they also

2589
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:15,600
sublimate

2590
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,040
the ground they fall

2591
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,440
looking like snowflakes now i'm not

2592
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:23,199
saying this is absolutely surely what

2593
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,719
your incident was

2594
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,080
i spent incidentally a lot of time in

2595
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,199
minnesota and medical companies but

2596
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:31,440
there is a mechanism where angel hair

2597
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,639
can give you something that looks

2598
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:34,560
exactly like snow

2599
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:38,400
and they're the most incredible ufo case

2600
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,679
in history to me the most incredible

2601
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:42,800
case

2602
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:46,239
know

2603
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,560
about this very interesting thank you

2604
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,600
very much

2605
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,000
very interesting so martin again uh

2606
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,920
another great show thank you bill for

2607
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:55,440
taking the call thank you

2608
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:58,400
and happy holidays and i'll let someone

2609
01:37:02,550 --> 01:36:59,440
else call in

2610
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,560
and enjoy your t-shirt yeah yeah

2611
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:04,960
all right you want me to mention about

2612
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:07,840
fatima portugal 1917

2613
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:11,440
17 000 you got the number right

2614
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:14,800
17 000 witnesses witnessed

2615
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,040
what was almost certainly a ufo a pair

2616
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,840
over red valley this was if you read up

2617
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:22,960
on the internet you can see it was

2618
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:24,880
actually pre-planned

2619
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,040
religious kind of event at any rate

2620
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,719
many of the witnesses saw that this was

2621
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:32,560
a disc

2622
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:36,080
when the disc started spinning

2623
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,440
multiple witnesses saw it started

2624
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:39,679
spinning in the air

2625
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:42,719
the people in the crowd 17 000 people

2626
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,520
were rained down upon with what they

2627
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:46,639
called at the time because they didn't

2628
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:49,920
know what it was flower petals

2629
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:52,960
these almost certainly were deformed

2630
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:53,679
dried

2631
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:58,159
angel hair droplets that got spewed off

2632
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:01,679
on on right now on the screen is a

2633
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:04,960
rendition it's it's not real but the

2634
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,360
but the picture is of all the people

2635
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:08,960
right but this is kind of

2636
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:11,520
you know just a simulation of what

2637
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:12,480
people

2638
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:15,440
claim they saw right so this stuff came

2639
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,560
down and actually

2640
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:18,480
started collecting on the ground people

2641
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,480
picked it up tasted it

2642
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:22,800
uh you know held it in their hand i

2643
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:28,550
i'm you know i'm not into the bible or

2644
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:29,920
anything but if you read the biblical

2645
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:32,239
story about the manna from heaven

2646
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,679
about going across the desert and they

2647
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,280
were saved from starving with the manna

2648
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:37,119
from heaven

2649
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,639
when the theory is that that was angel

2650
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,560
here and people ate it i'm not making

2651
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,000
this up i'm not

2652
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:44,560
the first to say this anyway let's get

2653
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,679
back to the fatima

2654
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:47,760
story the fatima story absolutely

2655
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:48,800
happened

2656
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:52,320
there were scientists clergy

2657
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:55,920
priests newspaper reporters

2658
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:58,639
police officers everybody you can

2659
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,360
imagine

2660
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,679
a lot of them were not debunkers but

2661
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:03,119
people who doubted

2662
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:05,360
what these two little girls were saying

2663
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:06,480
that the the

2664
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:09,679
angel was going to appear to them um

2665
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,280
and it did this thing came down

2666
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,119
after spinning in the sky and exuding

2667
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,119
all these fantastic colors

2668
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,679
this thing came down and settled on a

2669
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:21,360
tree

2670
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,800
couldn't see

2671
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,199
anything that was settling the tree

2672
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,840
branches actually deformed

2673
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,360
people could see something was weighing

2674
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,280
down on the tree

2675
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,400
and it was whatever was sent by this

2676
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,000
craft down to the surface

2677
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:41,040
to fulfill this girl's wishes uh you

2678
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:42,159
might again you might

2679
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,280
look at this and say this sounds like

2680
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:45,600
lunatones [\h__\h] but believe me

2681
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,400
it is not this actually happened made

2682
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:50,080
the front page of the newspaper just

2683
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:51,920
like roswell you could find the paper on

2684
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:52,840
the

2685
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,719
scientific papers written

2686
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,560
uh about this there's absolutely no

2687
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:59,920
question this happened

2688
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,840
well i'm not really sure if we can say

2689
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:03,280
[\h__\h] on this show

2690
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:06,320
okay i'm kind of joking because i

2691
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,840
just said it don't you know i

2692
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,360
normally have a cleaner mouth than that

2693
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,960
yeah well that's all right we have

2694
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,000
another caller

2695
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,679
we might as well take him on but yeah

2696
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:17,600
that case is always fascinating my my

2697
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,159
friend

2698
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,520
uh moronto has uh yeah

2699
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,600
i heard him uh yeah he's done a lot of

2700
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,800
work on fatima

2701
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:27,360
so our next caller is uh we have uh

2702
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,080
lewis

2703
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:30,480
he's calling from l.a and you get a

2704
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:31,360
t-shirt too

2705
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,400
lewis welcome to the show hello

2706
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,199
very much martin uh hey jack thank you

2707
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:39,199
so much for doing this interview

2708
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,880
really really interesting stuff first of

2709
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:42,320
all i've never heard of angel hair

2710
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:44,320
so the fact that i'm getting a little

2711
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,440
information on that is

2712
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:47,119
is fascinating and your explanation and

2713
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:49,199
theory behind it is

2714
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:52,159
very very cool um so my first question

2715
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:53,199
is

2716
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,080
how do your colleagues feel about you

2717
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:57,600
looking into this do you get strange

2718
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:58,400
looks from them

2719
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:00,320
or are you frankly i really don't give a

2720
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,440
damn what they think

2721
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:04,560
um that doesn't mean i i have many many

2722
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:08,320
uh friends and associates um like most

2723
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:08,719
uh

2724
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:12,639
scientific people i did not pursue this

2725
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:15,520
visibly while i was working uh it's just

2726
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,560
not a bad idea

2727
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:19,119
it's not a not a good idea especially in

2728
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,320
silicon valley

2729
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,840
especially in a startup environment not

2730
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,840
worried that i was a vp of a startup for

2731
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:25,199
a while which was a very successful

2732
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,560
startup incidentally

2733
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,639
um it's just not a good idea to talk

2734
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:31,040
about it so i did have two or three

2735
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,000
friends

2736
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:35,119
who i talked to who thought well of the

2737
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:36,239
idea

2738
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:39,600
in who phenomenon of uaps

2739
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,719
knew angel it was real um

2740
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:45,040
i'll mention my my wife whom i met at

2741
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,639
stanford carol

2742
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,480
um who's here she's not going to be not

2743
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,080
going to be on but

2744
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:53,119
um she's uh i went to ucla she got a bs

2745
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,800
in astrophysics

2746
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,280
from ucla and then a phd from geophysics

2747
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,679
from stanford i met her at stanford in a

2748
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:01,280
material science class

2749
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,679
and when i met her you know even before

2750
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:05,040
we got married we started talking about

2751
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,360
this

2752
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:07,920
and she's very open-minded she believes

2753
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:08,800
this

2754
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:11,840
theory is highly logical probably

2755
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:12,880
provable

2756
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,199
um you may know i said on my website

2757
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,880
that this is testable

2758
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:18,800
how many other people out there do you

2759
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:21,119
see saying here's how it works

2760
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,480
let's go test it this theory that's why

2761
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,719
that's why i love what you're saying

2762
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:29,119
here it's a lot of fun to listen to

2763
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,719
um and i wish uh more of your colleagues

2764
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:34,719
had your attitude about it of just not

2765
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,760
giving a damn and

2766
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,760
and letting it fly and talking about it

2767
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:39,360
my last question for you real quick if

2768
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,080
you can

2769
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:42,320
you mentioned that these these objects

2770
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,440
are coming from space they're

2771
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,719
interacting with the atmosphere and

2772
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:46,960
that's what's causing this phenomenon

2773
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,280
so if they're traveling through space my

2774
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:51,040
question would be to you is do you have

2775
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:52,080
a theory

2776
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,119
as to what might be controlling

2777
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:57,280
these crafts and i'll hang up unless

2778
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,320
it's fake

2779
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,480
yeah um i'm not going to switch to it

2780
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,320
knows i'll probably screw it up but

2781
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:04,800
in the powerpoint uh you will see a

2782
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:05,440
slide

2783
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:08,480
on essentially where do these things

2784
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:11,920
come from what are they and i

2785
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,840
give two or three ideas and i actually

2786
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:15,520
give percentages

2787
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,360
chance of what i think is the most

2788
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,600
likely the number one

2789
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,280
the two most likely which i think have

2790
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:23,280
about an equal percentage

2791
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:26,560
probability about 40 percent each one

2792
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,880
is intra intra intragalactic

2793
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,840
travel intergalactic means within our

2794
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:35,119
galaxy

2795
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:37,760
with intergalactic travel you would

2796
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:38,800
probably

2797
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,480
be fine with traveling at or just under

2798
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:43,679
the speed of light

2799
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:46,719
you could uh visit hundreds

2800
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:49,920
of stars if not thousands

2801
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:52,080
if you want to go between galaxies you

2802
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:53,679
need inter

2803
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:56,880
ter galactic travel for that

2804
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:59,119
you need faster than the speed of light

2805
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,000
to make it

2806
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,800
reasonable or you need your clock to

2807
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:03,760
slow down

2808
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:05,840
and as you know you've probably heard

2809
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:06,880
that many many times

2810
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,760
einstein predicted that if you're going

2811
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:12,000
anywhere near the speed of light

2812
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:13,760
the people that are on the craft their

2813
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,400
clock slows down they don't age as fast

2814
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,960
now they don't age as fast compared to

2815
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:20,000
the people they left

2816
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,639
at home all right so if they go on a

2817
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,080
long trip and they go home

2818
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:26,159
everybody at home is dead they already

2819
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,600
died

2820
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,600
decades have passed but they haven't

2821
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,639
aged very much because they've been

2822
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,480
traveling close to the speed of light

2823
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,440
so the whole idea here is that if you

2824
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:37,920
can travel close to the speed of light

2825
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:40,800
it won't take long in terms of bodily

2826
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:41,920
years

2827
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,480
so you're not going to age much and

2828
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:46,320
you're not going to notice the time

2829
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:49,280
as much so that's part of the reason why

2830
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:51,280
close to speed of light travel is so

2831
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,400
exciting and i think it's very possible

2832
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:57,040
uh to travel close to speed or light the

2833
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:58,480
other thing is called super luminal

2834
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:59,840
which means faster than the speed of

2835
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:00,480
light

2836
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:03,600
it is not clear that that's possible i'm

2837
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:05,199
not sure it is

2838
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:09,440
but traveling at 0.98 c or 0.999 c

2839
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:12,800
probably is possible light travels at c

2840
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:15,840
um the second i said 40 for two

2841
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:17,280
different ways

2842
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,560
the second way uh you have read and seen

2843
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:23,199
hundreds of ufo stories where crafts

2844
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:23,840
seem to

2845
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,199
materialize and dematerialize yes

2846
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:30,320
instantly yeah may be

2847
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,239
that they have the technology to do that

2848
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:37,440
from a remote place to here and back

2849
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,800
again

2850
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,719
faster than the speed of light super

2851
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,239
luminal essentially

2852
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:45,280
instantly now that humans do know

2853
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,719
something about a theory called

2854
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:49,119
entanglement if you read up on that you

2855
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:50,560
find out that even a

2856
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:53,600
human scientist can can

2857
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:55,840
can uh get something called entanglement

2858
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:56,719
where

2859
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:59,520
two particles in remote places act

2860
01:46:01,830 --> 01:46:01,199
identically as if they're in the same

2861
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:01,840
place

2862
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:03,440
doesn't matter how far they're apart

2863
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,880
that may be scratching it's set the

2864
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:06,159
record's up to kilometers now

2865
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:06,880
incidentally

2866
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,760
28 kilometers i think but that may

2867
01:46:12,990 --> 01:46:11,280
explain the basis for this

2868
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,000
materialization

2869
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,910
it's a question as to whether that's

2870
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,679
what they're doing but i do think

2871
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:22,000
that might be possible that would also

2872
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:22,800
explain

2873
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:25,280
how they can go through walls through

2874
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,080
floors through

2875
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:28,320
ceilings as you know there's hundreds of

2876
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:29,360
cases

2877
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:32,159
of people claiming uh beings in their

2878
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,040
house

2879
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:35,280
that came through the glass yeah went up

2880
01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:36,159
the window

2881
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:40,239
they went up the roof with the beings

2882
01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,000
there was even one that said as i went

2883
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,159
through the wall i could see the cobwebs

2884
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:46,080
and spiders inside the wall

2885
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,600
pretty cool um i don't know if that

2886
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:51,440
is reality or not but i think there's

2887
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:52,719
some chance

2888
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:56,800
that that might be possible i think the

2889
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:59,440
speed of travel close to sea speed of

2890
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:00,320
light

2891
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:03,600
is definitely possible so that would

2892
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,800
alone explain

2893
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:06,639
how they get here but this other thing

2894
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:08,000
might be possible too then they could

2895
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:09,840
flirt around everywhere

2896
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:12,080
maybe instantly or at least at the speed

2897
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:13,280
of light

2898
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,440
um so i hope that answers your question

2899
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,199
well lewis thank you very much for the

2900
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,030
uh he might be gone already we have

2901
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:25,600
another caller will uh

2902
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:28,880
okay this caller uh now actually gets

2903
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:30,320
this painting

2904
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:36,800
right here to show you

2905
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:39,520
it does exist wow that's pretty good

2906
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:40,560
during the

2907
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:44,400
summer last year so

2908
01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:48,000
now is uh steve i think from arkansas i

2909
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:49,600
believe

2910
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,639
do i have that right hello yes yes

2911
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,679
that's me

2912
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,679
hi congratulations you have one of my

2913
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:56,960
paintings whether you want

2914
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,520
or not i'm very excited all right

2915
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:03,760
whoops uh so anyway here's our guest you

2916
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:05,679
have a question forum

2917
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:10,080
go ahead oh i actually saw a ufo myself

2918
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,080
and you were talking about you know

2919
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:14,000
electrical discharge

2920
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:16,880
and uh the cobweb-like substances that

2921
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,199
come

2922
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:19,119
from you know that angel hair like

2923
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:20,480
substances

2924
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:23,920
um do you do you have you also uh

2925
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,960
seen growing balls of sort of plasma

2926
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:28,400
like electricity that

2927
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,480
are discharged from these craft as sort

2928
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,560
of an after effect

2929
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,800
i can tell you that there is a cms which

2930
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,560
is the mufon

2931
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:38,400
what is a case management system that's

2932
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:39,760
what it stands for

2933
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,920
if you look at my website i think it's

2934
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:43,920
on there as of last week

2935
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:46,800
there's a cms case that i mentioned i

2936
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:47,199
you know

2937
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:50,239
paraphrase it um where this lady had a

2938
01:48:54,390 --> 01:48:51,360
ufo come down

2939
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:54,400
on her lawn left a ring and went away

2940
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:57,119
but as it came down she noticed this uh

2941
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,400
glittery snow like

2942
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:01,520
stuff falling down and this was indeed

2943
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:03,040
a glowing ball exactly what you're

2944
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:04,719
talking about um

2945
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,000
i'll remind you that almost all of the

2946
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,639
major angel hair cases that didn't occur

2947
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,520
in france

2948
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:13,040
the france ones were mostly these huge

2949
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,280
cigars there's a huge number of cases

2950
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,960
that occurred in australia

2951
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:18,960
you will see these listed and mentioned

2952
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:20,239
on my website

2953
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,119
um those almost all were caused by

2954
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:25,280
crumb-colored spheres

2955
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:28,639
seen in the sky sometimes as many as 30

2956
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:29,599
of them

2957
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,040
exuding these fibers in incredible

2958
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,159
amounts those may be

2959
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,639
your glowing orbs at night because at

2960
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,639
night time all you can see is the plasma

2961
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:42,480
you're not going to see the the chrome

2962
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:43,920
body so

2963
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,880
um my guess is that a lot of those orbs

2964
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:48,960
what you're looking at is the plasma

2965
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,800
but there's really an or really a

2966
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:52,159
physical orb

2967
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:55,360
in there but at the very minimum

2968
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,119
these chrome-colored uh craft

2969
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,480
have done angel hair dozens of times

2970
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:04,880
and there's many as many as 30 of them

2971
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:05,840
at one time

2972
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,000
i also want to mention uh very important

2973
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,000
please please listen carefully this for

2974
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:11,760
those of you really interested in

2975
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,320
proof there's another cms case newfound

2976
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,840
is great for the data gathering in

2977
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,040
particular

2978
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,320
um youth one has a case that i

2979
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:23,360
cite phyllis buttinger of frontier

2980
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:25,280
analysis

2981
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:28,880
analyzed the angel here

2982
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,679
and what these two witnesses saw there

2983
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:33,679
was they're walking next to a lake

2984
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,800
and they saw about 30 of these barbell

2985
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:39,440
shaped craft each one about a yard long

2986
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,960
so about a yard long

2987
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,880
look like a barbell two discs with a bar

2988
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,239
in between

2989
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:47,040
these 30 discs flew over them went out

2990
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:48,719
to the middle of the lake wasn't a huge

2991
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,080
lake but it's not like

2992
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:52,639
went out to the middle of the lake and

2993
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:54,080
one of the ufos

2994
01:51:01,830 --> 01:50:57,599
one of the barbells started exuding

2995
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,840
a shower of angel hair straight down

2996
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:05,040
soon thereafter all the other 29 started

2997
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:06,320
doing the same thing

2998
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:09,679
this happens oh god it's only a few

2999
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:10,480
years ago

3000
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:13,760
it was like 2016. um

3001
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,840
and there's two witnesses and there was

3002
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,080
angel here evidence

3003
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:19,920
the evidence had these amino acids in

3004
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:21,199
the whole nine yards in it it's

3005
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:22,080
definitely

3006
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,709
you will see if you look at my website

3007
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:30,639
that these agglomerated coatings on the

3008
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,400
ufos

3009
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,560
one of the things that encourages the

3010
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:36,239
film to come off

3011
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,920
in the electric field is if you reduce

3012
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:40,400
the viscosity if the film is too thick

3013
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,440
it can't be

3014
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,040
pulled off by the electric field you

3015
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:45,280
have to get the viscosity down below a

3016
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,560
certain level

3017
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:48,480
well there's been a lot of cases where

3018
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,480
ufos have flown over lakes

3019
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:53,520
ponds or bodies of water and then exuded

3020
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,599
angel here and what is probably

3021
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:57,599
happening there as i say on my website

3022
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,800
is they absorb water vapor water vapor

3023
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,440
reduces the viscosity of the coating and

3024
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:05,679
enables it to come off more easily

3025
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,719
that's probably the explanation uh for

3026
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:10,320
that case

3027
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:14,320
um but i i hate to have to do this to

3028
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,119
you but we have

3029
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:17,920
two minutes left i can't believe how

3030
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:19,280
fast this went

3031
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,560
um hey thank you for the call steve

3032
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,920
thank you for taking my call and have a

3033
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,679
great holiday thank you for

3034
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,320
you enjoy the painting i'll get it out

3035
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:30,800
after christmas okay

3036
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:32,880
wonderful no rest in the line at the

3037
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,000
post office

3038
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:37,040
all right all right take care

3039
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:39,679
so um we have talked about your website

3040
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:40,239
so people

3041
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,679
can certainly see that but i have to

3042
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,239
tell you something jack yeah

3043
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,440
this is your um this is your first

3044
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:49,599
show that you've done on ufos and i got

3045
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,440
to tell you you did a heck of a job

3046
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,440
thank you very much really did i i found

3047
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,840
it i'm hoping there's enough

3048
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:58,639
science type geeks out there like myself

3049
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,280
that uh

3050
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,679
enjoy this has enjoyed this as much as i

3051
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:03,920
have but i've really really enjoyed it

3052
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:06,960
tremendously and uh i hope i get some

3053
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,239
visits to your website

3054
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,360
and uh you said you you were working on

3055
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:13,599
uh we have just uh less than a minute

3056
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:14,880
left you're working on

3057
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:21,910
quickly about propulsion number one just

3058
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:22,480
like

3059
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:24,880
the you'll see the solution to the

3060
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:26,080
falling

3061
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:31,040
i just noticed we are out of time i'm

3062
01:53:34,470 --> 01:53:32,320
really sorry

3063
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:34,480
uh but i will put any link you would

3064
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,760
like in the show notes

3065
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,840
anyone can check that out thank you so

3066
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:38,880
much really

3067
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:40,400
i didn't know it would sneak up on me

3068
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,510
i think you're the most intelligent

3069
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:47,760
podcaster out there wow

3070
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,880
jeez i that came from i have listened to

3071
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:53,440
all of them well thank you so much wow

3072
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,040
that means a lot to me thank you

3073
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:57,760
take care happy holidays okay bye-bye

3074
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:58,400
bye

3075
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,920
all right everyone so that's it we are

3076
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,000
totally out of time next week we have

3077
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:04,800
tom mortman he's a state mufon director

3078
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:06,000
of ohio

3079
01:54:27,710 --> 01:54:07,440
everyone thanks so much and remember to